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LaSalle vs PCC Week 0?

Gateway won WPIAL 5A in 2019

how is Peters not a great program?

2018 - semifinal loss after having the lead to Penn Hills, which won the state
2019 - close loss to Gateway in WPIAL final
2020 - mercy rule loss to PR in WPIAL title game, I think that PR team is arguably the best WPIAL team of the last 7 years or so
2021 - 2nd round playoff loss to PR
2022 - missed playoffs with only 3 losses, the system has since changed to prevent teams like that from being left out
2023 - WPIAL champ, state runner up
2024 - WPIAL runner u[

on top of that they are now regularly putting kids in D1 schools, Ivy league etc how is this not a great program?

I don't understand you saying Central coaches aren't as good as PR but then you argue Central's coaches develop their kids

of course recruiters go there, they are an all star team
uh ok, so it's been 6 years since Gateway played in a championship- not 7.

Yes, agreed the run for Peters has been impressive, good program. Cannot throw out the "great" term often

LaSalle vs PCC Week 0?

BP- im not gonna debate with you- but it's just not accurate to say the "consistent winning" programs in HS football are "cheating and bending rules" to get transfers. It takes a lot more than just talent. Perfect example- Gateway- they have had great talent, but have not even made it to a championship, for like 7-8 years. And, id have to guess, they probably DO bend some rules.

Peters- the big change has been Plack- he's a very good coach, and has developed them into a good program.- good not great. Lebo has had 3 different coaching staffs in the last 3 years- pretty sure most people would say they have shaky coaching.

And Central- again, I'm not gonna debate you- there is more involved than just "putting the kid on the field." They gotta coach and develop the kids, and college recuiters go there, more than some other school in the area- the kids get better exposure. James Franklin, PSU, says "we need more Pittsburgh Central Kids." Pretty sure PSU has never even VISITED maybe 90% of other high schools in Western PA. AND, how NFL? Right now, I think there are like 3-4 kids actively playing in the NFL. That is not fake, or hype.

And- lasty- the idea of what is "normal" in high school sports- it's just so different- high school sports are "not what they were" 30 years ago- just not even the same as 3 years ago... there is just a "new normal." And it kinda seems to be changing year-to-year.
Gateway won WPIAL 5A in 2019

how is Peters not a great program?

2018 - semifinal loss after having the lead to Penn Hills, which won the state
2019 - close loss to Gateway in WPIAL final
2020 - mercy rule loss to PR in WPIAL title game, I think that PR team is arguably the best WPIAL team of the last 7 years or so
2021 - 2nd round playoff loss to PR
2022 - missed playoffs with only 3 losses, the system has since changed to prevent teams like that from being left out
2023 - WPIAL champ, state runner up
2024 - WPIAL runner u[

on top of that they are now regularly putting kids in D1 schools, Ivy league etc how is this not a great program?

I don't understand you saying Central coaches aren't as good as PR but then you argue Central's coaches develop their kids

of course recruiters go there, they are an all star team

Easton and Pennsbury 2026 and 2027

Just announced today that Easton will renew their rivalry with Pennsbury games with non-conference games in 2026 and 2027. Easton previously played Pennsbury from 2010-2013, and of course both were members of the Big 8 from 1964 to 1975.

Easton continues to add fun, historically meaningful games (cue convo about the 1968 #1 vs #2 game between these programs) to their schedule with the new conference set-up and non-conference flexibility. Would love to see them get Neshaminy back on the docket to to round out those 60s/70s match ups.

Rules for "spring football" in PA

I have seen a few social media folks in the Pittsburgh Area say "we should have spring football" in PA.

I'm wondering what the means? What do other states do? Is PA football really "held back" by rules/restrictions for HS football in the spring?

I understand the value of playing other sports, but so many kids are "only playing football" anyways- I'm wondering if our kids are missing out on development, compared to other states, nationally?

LaSalle vs PCC Week 0?

Reston Lehman has big offers from everywhere across the country, Peters was always below average in football until 2018 now they regularly have prospects including kids that I don't think are good enough for the next level

Central puts more kids in big schools simply because those kids choose to go there, not because Central has some "secret sauce" that turns these kids into prospects

aside from maybe Butler I don't think there is any proof those schools are lacking resources or anything at all, USC and Lebo aren't lacking anything other than just not having the horses on a consistent basis, Woodland Hills lost a ton of enrollment but it probably doesn't help they choose to play up 2 classes

North Hills has been killed by transfers, Gateway used to benefit more than anybody from transfers in the mid to late 2000's

it's normal to have down years, it's not normal to be in the title game every year for a decade+ ie Central, PR etc the teams that don't have down years are bending the rules and getting transfers
BP- im not gonna debate with you- but it's just not accurate to say the "consistent winning" programs in HS football are "cheating and bending rules" to get transfers. It takes a lot more than just talent. Perfect example- Gateway- they have had great talent, but have not even made it to a championship, for like 7-8 years. And, id have to guess, they probably DO bend some rules.

Peters- the big change has been Plack- he's a very good coach, and has developed them into a good program.- good not great. Lebo has had 3 different coaching staffs in the last 3 years- pretty sure most people would say they have shaky coaching.

And Central- again, I'm not gonna debate you- there is more involved than just "putting the kid on the field." They gotta coach and develop the kids, and college recuiters go there, more than some other school in the area- the kids get better exposure. James Franklin, PSU, says "we need more Pittsburgh Central Kids." Pretty sure PSU has never even VISITED maybe 90% of other high schools in Western PA. AND, how NFL? Right now, I think there are like 3-4 kids actively playing in the NFL. That is not fake, or hype.

And- lasty- the idea of what is "normal" in high school sports- it's just so different- high school sports are "not what they were" 30 years ago- just not even the same as 3 years ago... there is just a "new normal." And it kinda seems to be changing year-to-year.

LaSalle vs PCC Week 0?

you are correct, these kids do not "need to go to private schools." But, usually they are better off. My point, is it's a lower risk, It's a lower gamble to go there- they have a much better track record than every local public school- I'm talking about the "best" kids, Power 4. I'm not sure what you mean that the Peter's kid was "recruited more" than the Central kids is just not true. I'm not a Central booster, or alum, i dont "love them" but they put more kids in big schools, it's really no debate.

In many ways, public/local is better, especially for the "average" or even the "good athletes," which is why i am talking about the 1%, the best kids. Private schools have less rules, more flexibility, which makes it easier for college recuiting. It is very diffcult to build and maintain a successful public school football program in western PA- that is why there are so few of them. Butler, Woodland Hills, Gateway, Lebo, North Hills, even USC- these are schools that "used to be great" and really are no longer- this is why they "lose kids" to transferring. This happens due to shaky coaching, or shaky resources, or a combination.

And again, the "payoff" is now real money, as soon as they graduate high school.
Reston Lehman has big offers from everywhere across the country, Peters was always below average in football until 2018 now they regularly have prospects including kids that I don't think are good enough for the next level

Central puts more kids in big schools simply because those kids choose to go there, not because Central has some "secret sauce" that turns these kids into prospects

aside from maybe Butler I don't think there is any proof those schools are lacking resources or anything at all, USC and Lebo aren't lacking anything other than just not having the horses on a consistent basis, Woodland Hills lost a ton of enrollment but it probably doesn't help they choose to play up 2 classes

North Hills has been killed by transfers, Gateway used to benefit more than anybody from transfers in the mid to late 2000's

it's normal to have down years, it's not normal to be in the title game every year for a decade+ ie Central, PR etc the teams that don't have down years are bending the rules and getting transfers

LaSalle vs PCC Week 0?

Funny thing - Walker coached for Palko way back and Palko effectively used QB run from Wildcat to beat SJP. But they also had that little kid at QB who could make plays with his arm. NA 23 didn’t have that option IIRC. PCC definitely didn’t have that in 24.
agree- but id argue maybe Palko is just a better coach than Walker!! Walker plays checkers, Palko plays chess. My guess is Palko had spent 2 years building and preparing to beat SJP in 2021

LaSalle vs PCC Week 0?

but they always use the excuse for going to private school that academics are a reason they go there

Peters has two kids going to Stanford and neither one of them looked anything special in the 5 Peters games I saw last year, especially in the PR game where I would argue both looked terrible, the one that just committed within the past day doesn't even look like a D2 kid to me, he's just "tall" and some colleges seem to think that automatically means "potential"

they have another kid with big offers from all over the country, and he was arguably just as invisible as they were, but he too is "tall" and he is more recruited than any of the recent Central kids

so you think Colson Gatten had to go to Central to get noticed instead of staying at Peters?

you don't need to go to private school to get recruited by colleges
you are correct, these kids do not "need to go to private schools." But, usually they are better off. My point, is it's a lower risk, It's a lower gamble to go there- they have a much better track record than every local public school- I'm talking about the "best" kids, Power 4. I'm not sure what you mean that the Peter's kid was "recruited more" than the Central kids is just not true. I'm not a Central booster, or alum, i dont "love them" but they put more kids in big schools, it's really no debate.

In many ways, public/local is better, especially for the "average" or even the "good athletes," which is why i am talking about the 1%, the best kids. Private schools have less rules, more flexibility, which makes it easier for college recuiting. It is very diffcult to build and maintain a successful public school football program in western PA- that is why there are so few of them. Butler, Woodland Hills, Gateway, Lebo, North Hills, even USC- these are schools that "used to be great" and really are no longer- this is why they "lose kids" to transferring. This happens due to shaky coaching, or shaky resources, or a combination.

And again, the "payoff" is now real money, as soon as they graduate high school.

LaSalle vs PCC Week 0?

ya just gotta look at their schedules, it's pretty obvious. Peters plays Canon mac in week zero, PCC played a top 20 program. peter's and USC nonconference include 4A opponents
so?

I'll take games against Bethel Park and Mckeesport over Norwin and Hempfield

Central struggles to beat 5A Pine Richland seemingly every year, all that talent in 23 and they couldn't stop some kid I'm pretty sure didn't play football after high school

LaSalle vs PCC Week 0?

my "academics" comment- responding to your comment about the "highly rated" schools of USC, Peters and Lebo. The highest rated players do not benefit from that. Average kids, yes, the "good" high school players, yes, ie Tiqi Hayes, Quinten martin- should not "choose" a high school for it's top 5 academic rating.

Coaching of lehmeir- he's good- but i never said he was great- but the "program" coaching, top-to-bottom is very good at PCC. Among USC, Lebo and Peters- Peters is the best for coaching. Just does not have quite the reputation, and history of PCC.
but they always use the excuse for going to private school that academics are a reason they go there

Peters has two kids going to Stanford and neither one of them looked anything special in the 5 Peters games I saw last year, especially in the PR game where I would argue both looked terrible, the one that just committed within the past day doesn't even look like a D2 kid to me, he's just "tall" and some colleges seem to think that automatically means "potential"

they have another kid with big offers from all over the country, and he was arguably just as invisible as they were, but he too is "tall" and he is more recruited than any of the recent Central kids

so you think Colson Gatten had to go to Central to get noticed instead of staying at Peters?

you don't need to go to private school to get recruited by colleges

LaSalle vs PCC Week 0?

who is the better competition that Central plays on a yearly basis other than North Allegheny and some random out of state or eastern PA team that typically cleans their clock?
ya just gotta look at their schedules, it's pretty obvious. Peters plays Canon mac in week zero, PCC played a top 20 program. peter's and USC nonconference include 4A opponents

LaSalle vs PCC Week 0?

what makes Lehmeier a better coach than the Peters or USC coach or really any coach?

they would be stupid if they care about good high school academics? uh what???
my "academics" comment- responding to your comment about the "highly rated" schools of USC, Peters and Lebo. The highest rated players do not benefit from that. Average kids, yes, the "good" high school players, yes, ie Tiqi Hayes, Quinten martin- should not "choose" a high school for it's top 5 academic rating.

Coaching of lehmeir- he's good- but i never said he was great- but the "program" coaching, top-to-bottom is very good at PCC. Among USC, Lebo and Peters- Peters is the best for coaching. Just does not have quite the reputation, and history of PCC.
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