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private vs public schools

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2020sports said:
This is an interesting topic- but I just dont think things are gonna change- PA legislators are really big into the "status quo." there are all kind of "laws" that get approved by Committees, but never even get voted on, let alone "voted yes." I think once they talk about possible civil rights problems, they won't even vote. If this happens- maybe this will change some things- but the problem w Western PA is there just are not that many private schools- and would really be a burden for "scheduling" games during regular season.
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Why does scheduling have to change if the playoff format changes?
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Fletchster1 said:
Current situation - Non-boundary schools who can pick and choose their student body vs boundary schools who have to take what they get playing in league, district, and state playoff games.

Future situation - Non-boundary schools who can still pick and choose their student body vs other Non-boundary schools who can also pick and choose their student body. Boundary schools who have to take what they get vs other Boundary schools who have to take what they get.

Community vs Non-community - Kids that grow up in a community playing for boundary schools with local pride versus kids that grow up in a community playing for some non-boundary school outside their community. Kids and their families can do what they want, but I believe there is nothing like two rival boundary schools battling on the gridiron with their communities behind them.
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This is an interesting topic- but I just dont think things are gonna change- PA legislators are really big into the "status quo." there are all kind of "laws" that get approved by Committees, but never even get voted on, let alone "voted yes." I think once they talk about possible civil rights problems, they won't even vote. If this happens- maybe this will change some things- but the problem w Western PA is there just are not that many private schools- and would really be a burden for "scheduling" games during regular season.
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Current situation - Non-boundary schools who can pick and choose their student body vs boundary schools who have to take what they get playing in league, district, and state playoff games.

Future situation - Non-boundary schools who can still pick and choose their student body vs other Non-boundary schools who can also pick and choose their student body. Boundary schools who have to take what they get vs other Boundary schools who have to take what they get.

Community vs Non-community - Kids that grow up in a community playing for boundary schools with local pride versus kids that grow up in a community playing for some non-boundary school outside their community. Kids and their families can do what they want, but I believe there is nothing like two rival boundary schools battling on the gridiron with their communities behind them.
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Fletchster1 said:
Common sense will prevail. Excited to get back to all playoff games between two communities versus the lopsided mess we often see when a non-boundary plays a boundary.
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I'll be interested in how this works out in practice. How will it affect public schools in Philly? Will it apply to all sports? How will this actually work, for instance, with sports like track, lacrosse, or soccer? And how will it work if boundaries become more porous because of demographic changes or because certain programs are offered in one district and not in another?

I'm also interested in your expectation that the change will result in playoff games between communities. I don't think it's accurate to say all boundary/public schools are community schools and all non-boundary/private schools are not community schools. Things are not the same in all parts of the state, and a lot has changed in recent decades. Also, there are different kinds of communities.

A long time ago I lived in Scranton for a few years. I remember seeing the big crowds at Memorial Stadium and at other venues. Much has changed since. Will putting Scranton Prep in another playoff classification increase attendance at Dunmore or Valley View games?
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LaSalle vs PCC Week 0?

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BradlyPitt said:
it's been 5 years, year 6 didn't start yet, though they probably won't win it next year

4 championship appearances in 6 seasons, that is great

what is great to you?
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What would be great would be you, Brad Pitt, trying out a new angle. How about starting off a comment by saying, "You know, I never thought of that. Great point!" instead of, "You're wrong, I'm right!" Why are you always in what appears to be a fight?
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2025 wpial discussion

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northalleghenytiger said:

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it’s boring in my eyes because when classifications split and 6A shrunk to just a handful of teams, the prestige of winning a WPIAL title in the highest class really took a hit. it's hard to celebrate a championship when you’re playing in essentially a mini-league of five or six teams. It feels more like a round-robin trophy than a real gauntlet. I hate to say that as an NA fan, but no one really care about their wpial title wins, as evident by people on this forum

Back when 4A was the biggest classification, winning the WPIAL was a war. You had legit powerhouses like Woodland Hills, Central Catholic, North Hills, McKeesport, Upper St. Clair, Gateway—20+ top-tier programs competing. That gave WPIAL titles real weight, even without a state championship. So while they won zero state titles, Woody High’s early-2000s run meant something because of the depth of competition. That’s why a lot of people speak fondly of them, even on this website

I believe the only 6A teams that will be remembered are 2017 Pine-Richland and 2021 Mt. Lebanon. They transcended the watered-down format by statistical domination and winning states
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ok, I hear ya- but this stuff only really effects 6A. Still pretty impressive to win at 1-5. And, even though there are negatives, there are a lot more teams benefitting from the 6 levels- better chance for winning records, playoffs, which keeps more kids playing football, so that is a positive.

For 6A, the reality is if it was 4 levels, imo, PR and Peters are the only teams that would have given any challenge to PCC and NA in the last 3 years- things would not have been much different- imo, 99% likely NA would have still won in 23 and PCC would have still won in 24. 22, not sure, maybe PR could have wo 6A.

imo- there's a whole lot of things the WPIAL could do to make postseason better- better media coverage, better "free access" to watching on TV or streaming- and how about this- ALL home playoffs games? Except for the final, which would NOT be played at Norwin, which is terrible- maybe Highmark Stadium, or Robert Morris Field
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2025 wpial discussion

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northalleghenytiger said:
It’s boring for sure. The only interesting year really was 2021, with lots wpial public schools winning states. 2023 NA vs Central was also entertaining. Other than that, pretty boring. Last year was dreadful. Hopefully the go back to 4 classes
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BP or tiger- what in the world do you mean by "boring?"

If you mean it's the "same schools" that's just not true. Seton Lesalle and McKesport have not won a wpial title in 20 years.

And tiger- if we had only 4 classes, there would be LESS variety. Over the last 3 years there have prob been like 20 different schools competing.

There are many things the wpial could do, to make this better / more exciting, but they either don't care, or don't understand what would make it better.
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LaSalle vs PCC Week 0?

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BradlyPitt said:
it's been 5 years, year 6 didn't start yet, though they probably won't win it next year

4 championship appearances in 6 seasons, that is great

what is great to you?
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yer funny- splitting hairs, on 5 or 6 years for gateway? The other issue w them, is they have won zero playoff games in the last 4 years.

ok, now Peters- sorry, but champions are not the "second best." Peters is a good program, not great. They a "great year" in 23. Ok, maybe they are a "great South hills team?" But seriously- great programs would be the "best of the best" meaning state champs, or repeat WPIAL winners. Peters is a text-book program, to have benefited from our "watered down" 6 levels- if we had only 4, they might have played 6A for some years, and certainly would have played in less WPIAL finals and maybe not have made it to the state final. And yes (before you even say it!) maybe PR has benefited from the 6 class system- but so too have some others, locally and state-wide.

So now, the "great" programs in the last 10 years, locally? Sure, we could debate this, but I'd say TJ, Aliquippa, CV, PCC, PR, and maybe Clairton. Maybe I could add more to this list? Sure, but then, the more you add the more you water it down.
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it's the same teams every year pretty much, any of you ever think this is boring?

1A - Clairton they should've won it last year, they were young which means they should be better
2A Seton Lasalle they have a lot of D1 prospects
3A Central Valley because they are always up there, even last year in a "down year"
4A Mckeesport they have to break through sooner or later, they have Kemon Spell
5A PR because they always reload and their stars are still young
6A Central there is no reason to think otherwise with the talent they have on the lines
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Easton and Pennsbury 2026 and 2027

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2020sports said:
Question from an uneducated Western PA guy- I was looking at the Pennsbury football website- seems to include an impressive history- but I see references to SOL National Championship? What does that mean?
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Yes, Pennsbury has had some great teams over the years. Recently they have played in two eastern finals, losing both. In the 2006 east final Pennsbury lost to Bethlehem Liberty 45-38 in 4 OT's. Maybe one of the more underrated playoff games in PIAA history. I was there, it had everything.

In 2014, Pennsbury played SJP in an absolute monsoon at NE HS. The 37-7 final was predictable.

I will always cherish beating Pennsbury in '78 and '79 to win the LBCL championship at Council Rock. Chuck Kane and Walt Snyder had a nice rivalry in the 70's. Two hall of fame coaches.

The 1971 Pennsbury-Neshaminy game is still one the biggest games to be ever played in eastern PA. I was there, 15,000 at Neshaminy. Skins had 5 all-state players, and held on 21-17 to cap an 11-0 season.

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northalleghenytiger said:
Thought this would be a good time to start

Central has to be the betting favorite, but Walker Jr. always has a trick up his sleeve, so Il go with them

Pine is the favorite I’d imagine, USC lost a ton. I’m not sure about Peters
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good call- yes May seems reasonable- I just looked at this fall's brackets- at this moment, id say

1a- Ft Cherry- cant go against Sieg, he is a stud
2a-Seton LeSalle- seems they are due
3a- Central Valley- again, they are due
4a- TJ- seems they have figured some things out the last few years- great coach still goin strong
5a- PR- Peters and USC i think will not be as strong as 24
6a- PCC- NA close second, and maybe some better competition from Seneca and Lebo
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