Funny because they were relevant before the pcl. I think the pcl cherry picked their best players.
My takeaway from the 2022 state championships
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I see St. Joes fans and Erie Cathedral prep fans bickering on about having players from other states… I have a great idea to end this.
-Separate public from private
- change PCL from Philly Catholic league to Pennsylvania Catholic league
- the league consists of the PCL as it stands now, and Erie Prep and Pittsburgh central catholic.
That’s how to sort this mess out
-Separate public from private
- change PCL from Philly Catholic league to Pennsylvania Catholic league
- the league consists of the PCL as it stands now, and Erie Prep and Pittsburgh central catholic.
That’s how to sort this mess out
I’m a fan of pcl but Roman in particular. I think ppl that dislike the make up use the multiple state reference to make it sound unfair. When in reality the distance to the other state is within distance of boundary school limits. There’s ppl that commute to jersey from Roman/sjp area by walking across a bridge. I know that doesn’t sound As good as “they getting kids from multiple states”, but whatever makes the participation awards feel better.
My wife is from the Palisades school district, the largest school district in the state. Huge area to choose from for athletes. Palisades ever any good, even with that huge area to choose from? Coaching and program my friends, coaching and program.
Stop cheating. Look there are two ways to look at this. The PCL is not changing from what I can see they have been doing what they have been doing for what 100 years and that’s not going to stop. So either the public schools can change some rules to “even” the paying field and make bigger county/statewide changes or the public schools can sit an complain. I am guessing there are many public school coaches right now thinking of ways to enhance their program to figure out a way to beat the private schools and they are not all from the wpial. PFP is right get the right people in place as far as programs go spend the money on sports spend the money on coaches spend the money on facilities. I keep putting Tommy Knotts name out there but I would bet the farm if he was at say North Penn St Joes prep would not the conversation it is right now. If I am say superintendent at say X high school in eastern PA I am going to go to the school board and say hey we need to change a few things and make those changes
'Stop cheating" Great comeback!!
Uh, Brad, if they were cheating wouldn't there be some punishment meated out? Wouldn't they be prohibited from playing in the playoffs? Wouldn't they have to pay a fine of some sort? The answer is no. Because they are playing within the rules set up by the PIAA. Take it to a judge Brad!!
You're forgetting McDevitt, Scranton Prep, Bishop Guilfoyle, ACC, BCC, etc.
Although it is somewhat odd that NJ kids play for a HS in the PIAA Playoffs, that doesn’t really matter and is not the hill to die on. The non-boundary vs boundary issue is what eventually will cause the PIAA to separate the two classifications.
And again, mileage is relative; Downingtown-Coatesville are 40 miles from SJP. Doylestown is 20 miles from LaSalle.
And again, mileage is relative; Downingtown-Coatesville are 40 miles from SJP. Doylestown is 20 miles from LaSalle.
I think travelling to all these sights might be a little cost prohibitive!
But let's go back for a second. How did North Alleghany beat that All Star team La Salle sent to Harrisburg back in 2010? My my my. They did win right? Geez how did that ever happen? Maybe just maybe......North Alleghany had a better team? Nope. La Salle must have played like sh1t. No way a public team could ever beat a healthy PCL All Star team! Mind you, none of the players of the previous championship went on to a D1 school. The starting QB never played football again.
So which is it? Fair? Unfair? Coaching? Program?? Boundaries? No Boundaries? Or just give it a rest and play the game. This argument has been going on since the PCL joined in the mid 2000s. The PIAA isn't going to change anything and we on this forum sure as hell aren't going to change anything.
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I don't see anyother non-boundary schools outside the pcl dominating athletics like the pcl because of their ability to pull kids from pa, nj, Maryland, ect... There wasn't this debate before 2008. Mcdevitt hadn't won a title since 95. Who's doing what prep, Imhotep, Neumann, Roman, ect... Are doing?
Someone needs to and am I wrong? Outside of the pcl what private school or schools are just dominating football and basketball.
Again and again, you exaggerate in a way that does nothing more than show what a fixation can do to someone. SJP has NEVER had a player from Maryland and your "etc."--you can thank me later for correcting your error--recalls your ludicrous statement that SJP gets players from all over the northeast. How about returning to earth?
No, you're wrong. We're talking big boys category right? How about Reading, Chester,Lower Merion and Plymouth Whitemarsh in Basketball? I think Reading has won multiple titles in the last few years. The only PCL team that shows up in basketball is Roman Catholic and they have a great tradition of basketball down through the years.. Does your statement about dominance go along with your other statement about how many states players come from, because they're both incorrect.
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Palisades - huge geographic area. Palisades - nobody actually lives there, it’s like 1,400 students K-12. Like, Wilson Area has almost double the school population in about 1/5th the square mileage of you’re looking at teams even in their own conference.
Palisades would be a better area to choose from if they built a couple thousand housing units.
Reading won 1 title in 2021 and chester and lower Marion haven't won a title in a decade. They aren't doing what Neumann, Roman, or Imhotep are doing. Not even close. Those teams win every year and mercy rule everyone along the way. Same with prep in football. Let's see what those teams do in this year's playoff and how close those games are. They assemble
a group of multiple D1 guys every year and mercy rule the public schools. I gaurantee you the kids don't want it, the fans don't either, and I know the coaches don't want it. There's a lot that have been pretty vocal about the situation.
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Don’t think it’s the same in basketball. One player can really change a team. Also, there’s plenty public schools that pop up with said players every year without a peep from anyone.
They aren't pulling a team of D1 guys like Roman, Neumann, tep, and prep. The pcl is getting out of control.
Ok so you don’t have an issue with it. You just don’t want them grabbing the really good guys. Like it’s fine long as the guys aren’t d1.
Hope you all are doing well. It’s good to see that the arguments here have not changed much in the last 20+ years. I haven’t posted much since the late 1990’s and early 2000’s. Just recall that it wasn’t the PCL begging to get into the PIAA. LIke the NCAA I don’t think the PIAA’s motivation in adding the PCL and PPL to the PIAA had anything to do with leveling completion. It was merely to grow their organization/empire.
One thing that gets overlooked is that prior to the PCL entrance into the PIAA, the level of talent at the public school teams benefited to a significant degree because of CYO players who would pass on going to a PCL team in order to play for a contending state championship team. I know personally from coaching CYO football how many CYO players went to CB West, Neshaminy, North Penn, etc rather than Wood, Ryan, SJP, LaSalle, etc.
Another distinguishing factor between public vs PCL, private, charter schools, is that the success of a football program is always going to benefit to some degree from invested parents. By definition (paying tuition) you are going to have a higher percentage of that in PCL schools.
One thing that gets overlooked is that prior to the PCL entrance into the PIAA, the level of talent at the public school teams benefited to a significant degree because of CYO players who would pass on going to a PCL team in order to play for a contending state championship team. I know personally from coaching CYO football how many CYO players went to CB West, Neshaminy, North Penn, etc rather than Wood, Ryan, SJP, LaSalle, etc.
Another distinguishing factor between public vs PCL, private, charter schools, is that the success of a football program is always going to benefit to some degree from invested parents. By definition (paying tuition) you are going to have a higher percentage of that in PCL schools.
I'm fine with them grabbing all the all star players they want and think they should have athletics but what I'm not fine with is them doing it and beating up on public schools in the Piaa playoffs. They shouldn't be allowed to complete in them.
I agree with the post above me. It doesn’t matter if NA was able to beat lasalle a decade ago. That shouldn’t be a possibility in the first place. These teams have different rules. It makes sense to have them separated
You’re simply moronic - Maryland, etc - again, you have an axe to grind, seems you may have an ECP Rex syndrome going on.
Well, you guys are entertaining! Meant in good and high spirits to open the New Year
!About McDevitt. They are in a unique setting surrounded by established football programs and traditions, some very deep that of course are well coached, often with great coaches of tenure, or....they keep it going with coaches from their "tree" when retired. Teams like Harrisburg, CD, CV, Cedar Cliff and Steel High in the immediate area....and others stretching east to Manheim Central, Wyomissing, Wilson, Exeter, Gov Mifflin, Lamp Stras have or recently have had highly regarded coaches.
** Point being, all have long standing traditions that create local identity and loyalty to that school. Anyone can be 'sniped'. It's just more difficult in this circumstance.
2 titles, remind me what Imhotep, Neumann, and Roman have? Refresh my memory? What about prep in football?
thanks Stalk- interesting about mcdevittWell, you guys are entertaining! Meant in good and high spirits to open the New Year
About McDevitt. They are in a unique setting surrounded by established football programs and traditions, some very deep that of course are well coached, often with great coaches of tenure, or....they keep it going with coaches from their "tree" when retired. Teams like Harrisburg, CD, CV, Cedar Cliff and Steel High in the immediate area....and others stretching east to Manheim Central, Wyomissing, Wilson, Exeter, Gov Mifflin, Lamp Stras have or recently have had highly regarded coaches.
** Point being, all have long standing traditions that create local identity and loyalty to that school. Anyone can be 'sniped'. It's just more difficult in this circumstance.
wow- yea the debate keeps going... I'm gonna try not to "rejoin the debate" but i have a few specific "player questions"
Also- regarding the question, in the Philly area, of kids going to pcl instead of public. Is there an example of a high profile kid, choosing to go to a pcl school, like SJP, Wood, RC, etc- from a Philly suburban public school with "good resources?" Maybe like North Penn or a somewhere in Bucks County? Or maybe that is very rare? Just curious.
LOL clearly the PIAA doesn't care, seemingly every time there are transfers for athletic intent they overturn the WPIAL's decision that ruled the kid ineligible
i can tell by the way Lombardi responds to the question when asked about private vs public schools, it's like he wants these private schools to dominate
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huh?
you never heard of Archbishop Wood, Archbishop Carrol, Neuman Goretti?
these teams have won tons of titles in the "big boy" category, they only lose to other PCL powerhouses
Which rule is unfair? Let it guess they can pull guys from anywhere? Write this maybe be true guys aren’t coming from these other states to go play at lasalle. It sounds good. Again, if we go by distance I’m sure some of these boundary schools have kids from further distance than non boundary.
Non-boundary schools playing in the same bracket as boundary schools.
Yes, pulling guys from anywhere is a huge advantage. This is why the best college programs recruit nationally.
Multiple boundary schools have kids coming from 40 miles away? 40 southeastern PA miles at that.
Tons?? You don't seem to give a lot of credit to Reading, Chester, Lower Merion etc.
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Readings won 2 titles, lower Marion and chester haven't won a title in a decade. Now do Roman, Neumann, and Imhotep.
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1200 miles and perfectly legal it seems. I'm sure this was a one off and that they never operate within safer and less notable parameters - say, 40 miles or so and not an NFL players relative
