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2025 wpial discussion

Okay I have some intel from someone related to the Central Catholic coaching staff—-

They are very confident in winning states this year. Apparently they are also extremely strong. I find this hard to believe, but it is said that they have around 15 players that can bench at least 315. Apparently some teams do a powerlifting meet thing and max out, which is why they know the numbers. Their offensive line is all atleast above 6’4, so they are huge
I don't see how this has ever been in doubt, beyond conspiracies that they are somehow "over-recruited." As mentioned above, they still need to be able to play as a team and at least match the other top teams in scheme, which they could not do in last year's state championship game. They'll need their QB to mature quickly, but SJP won last year in a similar situation. The LaSalle matchup will show their staff where they are in relation to another top 5 team in the state and then give them two months to benchmark and improve. (Unless of course they knock off LaSalle, which is certainly a possibility.)
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2025 wpial discussion

Okay I have some intel from someone related to the Central Catholic coaching staff—-

They are very confident in winning states this year. Apparently they are also extremely strong. I find this hard to believe, but it is said that they have around 15 players that can bench at least 315. Apparently some teams do a powerlifting meet thing and max out, which is why they know the numbers. Their offensive line is all atleast above 6’4, so they are huge
It will come down to coaching in the end. They'll be in the 6A WPIAL title game, but they would've beaten 5A P-R the last two years if they had better coaching and gotten past NA two years ago in the WPIAL final.
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LaSalle vs PCC Week 0?

There are people who post on the forums who you can tell have a lot of emotion and passion, not realizing that they come across as Imperial. No disagreement is allowed. You appear to be one of those people.

I would love to see one of your posts start out with, "That is a very good point that I hadn't thought of."
that is a very good point that i hadn't thought of

just one more thing, Paul

bite me
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Rules for "spring football" in PA

I would argue the spring recruiting period is the most important period for HS sophomores and juniors.

Colleges are only allowed so many coaches eligible to be on the road recruiting. So the fall period is a giant waste, I’m not sure anyone has scouts on the road. One it would be a violation or that would count as a coach in the road and count against countable recruiting days.

It goes back to the PIAA not having a year round calendar. Yes the south has spring ball but are actually much more regulated than we are even though we do not have formal spring practice.

In the south they have 10-14 days and a scrimmage. But it’s regulated, you get so many days etc. they also have mandatory off weeks etc. off season rules.

The only rules we have in Pa is you can’t put shoulder pads on. So is essence a coach in Pa has much more of the ability to grind his kids down than that of a coach in the south with spring football.
d11- yes- thanks- this is the info i was looking for. So one difference, is PA cannot have "competition" against other teams- which is what I thought. And sure- not "being in pads" might be better. But- if there were guidelines- maybe things would be better? I think too many programs, are "overpracticing" in football, doing like 4-5 practices per week from March to June. This makes it very difficult to play other sports like track and baseball.

Rules for "spring football" in PA

Seniors in PA and seniors down south do not practice in the spring. No hs coach is giving reps to a kid without eligibility in the fall.

PA doesn't ban HS coaches from attending practices. It never has. In PA you cannot have mandatory practices but you can have voluntary ones.
steel: 15-25 years ago there weren't spring practices but the players got together on their own. I was involved with hs football back then and my son also played. Coaches weren't permitted. Summer 5v5 were scheduled just before the season started and coaches were involved at that point. That was then, and like I said I'm not up to date on the rules now.

Rules for "spring football" in PA

If you're a senior and being recruited, spring may not benefit you.
Seniors in PA and seniors down south do not practice in the spring. No hs coach is giving reps to a kid without eligibility in the fall.
I'm not up to date on rules, but spring practices couldn't have coaches there, but the players can practice on their own.
PA doesn't ban HS coaches from attending practices. It never has. In PA you cannot have mandatory practices but you can have voluntary ones.
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If you're a senior and being recruited, spring may not benefit you. Any seniors grad early (I assume not many) would hurt greatly. For them, college spring football would be out of the question. Colleges typically gear up their scouts in the fall to visit high schools.
I'm not up to date on rules, but spring practices couldn't have coaches there, but the players can practice on their own.

LaSalle vs PCC Week 0?

you don't think i'm very nice guy, do you Paul?
There are people who post on the forums who you can tell have a lot of emotion and passion, not realizing that they come across as Imperial. No disagreement is allowed. You appear to be one of those people.

I would love to see one of your posts start out with, "That is a very good point that I hadn't thought of."
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Easton Announces Corey Keener as Head Wrestling Coach

Brad Wilson's interview with Keener

Interesting tidbit is Easton will not be attending the Bethlehem Hurricane Classic as their Christmas tournament. Instead, they'll head out to the Trojan Wars at Chambersburg, where they'll hit more D3 and D7 teams rather than the glut of D11 teams that go to the Hurricanes (reduce redundancy in their schedule). That used to be their reasoning for going to Manheim and Reno rather than Hurricane and Beast of the East, that they needed to see other teams and regions on their schedule. I kind of like getting back to that (though having a local Christmas tournament has been nice from a fan's perspective).

It's also interesting to read Keener's perspective on the influence his graduate transfer year at Penn State has on his coaching style. The joke is always that "the secret is fun" when talking to Penn State wrestlers, and Keener doesn't do anything to dispell that. "A lot of it was how to train -- a new-school approach, to make wrestling fun. You hear wrestling is a grueling sport where you can't be good and enjoy it. Cael and his guys treat wrestling as a game." One thing that has changed is for years, Easton was kind of the free-flowing, technique heavy program that has become a little more "go-go-go" conditioning based under Jody Karam. Keener getting Easton back to some of the stylistic parts of the Steve Powell era would be a way to take the next step. What I do hope he retains from Jody is the super power of taking an average kid and making them light years better. Threading that needle between your program kids and your elite kids is how you make your money as a high school coach. Jody skewed towards the program kids, Jamarr skewed waaaay to far towards the elite kids, can Keener get them back to that 90s/00s baseline of big jumps from all corners of the room. I'm rambling.
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2025 wpial discussion

BP or tiger- what in the world do you mean by "boring?"

If you mean it's the "same schools" that's just not true. Seton Lesalle and McKesport have not won a wpial title in 20 years.

And tiger- if we had only 4 classes, there would be LESS variety. Over the last 3 years there have prob been like 20 different schools competing.

There are many things the wpial could do, to make this better / more exciting, but they either don't care, or don't understand what would make it better.
yes it is boring with the same teams every year

it's rare for a team to come out of nowhere, we could probably predict who wins titles 3 years from now with good accuracy

2025 wpial discussion

it’s boring in my eyes because when classifications split and 6A shrunk to just a handful of teams, the prestige of winning a WPIAL title in the highest class really took a hit. it's hard to celebrate a championship when you’re playing in essentially a mini-league of five or six teams. It feels more like a round-robin trophy than a real gauntlet. I hate to say that as an NA fan, but no one really care about their wpial title wins, as evident by people on this forum

Back when 4A was the biggest classification, winning the WPIAL was a war. You had legit powerhouses like Woodland Hills, Central Catholic, North Hills, McKeesport, Upper St. Clair, Gateway—20+ top-tier programs competing. That gave WPIAL titles real weight, even without a state championship. So while they won zero state titles, Woody High’s early-2000s run meant something because of the depth of competition. That’s why a lot of people speak fondly of them, even on this website

I believe the only 6A teams that will be remembered are 2017 Pine-Richland and 2021 Mt. Lebanon. They transcended the watered-down format by statistical domination and winning states
I think we would've had the same 6A champ every year except 2022 and 2020

2018 is debatable when Penn Hills won 5A, I don't think that PR team was very strong and it benefited them greatly when Seneca Valley got hot and knocked off some teams that were better than they were

but I definitely miss the 4 class system

LaSalle vs PCC Week 0?

yer funny- splitting hairs, on 5 or 6 years for gateway? The other issue w them, is they have won zero playoff games in the last 4 years.

ok, now Peters- sorry, but champions are not the "second best." Peters is a good program, not great. They a "great year" in 23. Ok, maybe they are a "great South hills team?" But seriously- great programs would be the "best of the best" meaning state champs, or repeat WPIAL winners. Peters is a text-book program, to have benefited from our "watered down" 6 levels- if we had only 4, they might have played 6A for some years, and certainly would have played in less WPIAL finals and maybe not have made it to the state final. And yes (before you even say it!) maybe PR has benefited from the 6 class system- but so too have some others, locally and state-wide.

So now, the "great" programs in the last 10 years, locally? Sure, we could debate this, but I'd say TJ, Aliquippa, CV, PCC, PR, and maybe Clairton. Maybe I could add more to this list? Sure, but then, the more you add the more you water it down.
I think great is simply being consistently among the best teams in your class, you don't need to be number 1 every year and that is not possible without CHEATING

is Peters the south hills? they are in Washington county
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