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PIAA District 1 - Halfway Point

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CAMoleskinner said:
The $64,000.00 question!

It does seem they have a fair amount of talent this year (and the roster looks like half the school is suited up).

The NP game they really weren't in it. Against CBW there were moments I kinda thought "maybe" before it just sort of slipped away.
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They almost always put up a good fight but that was a very short-handed West team that still ran for 275+ yards against the typically strong Neshaminy front four. (Clemens gave his usual incredible performance on both sides of the ball) Maybe I'm missing something, but I really think the Skins are a sleeping giant. Great stadium, community support, big school, big roster, nice mix of size and talent... seems to be all there. And the QB is only a junior? The future is bright, with the right hire.
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PIAA District 1 - Halfway Point

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Fletchster1 said:
1. North Penn - Running through everyone after struggling in W1.
2. Downingtown West - Not much competition overall, but nice win versus PV. Rustin is tough one.
3. CB South - Similar to DWest with close win over CB West.
4. Neshaminy - Smacked by NP with a close one over Emmaus. Big one tonight vs West.
5. Owen J Roberts - Only competition so far was PV where they didn't fare well.
6. Perkiomen Valley - Sleeper to make some noise.
7. Haverford - GV handled them but won all other games easily. Springfield and Ridley will tell the story.
8. Pennridge - Probable first round runner-up.
9. CB West - Middle of the pack.
10. Ridley - Not sure they can beat a playoff team.
11. Pennsbury - Probable first round runner-up.
12. Downingtown East - Could be a spoiler in playoffs.
13. Upper Darby - Not sure they can beat a playoff team.
14. Norristown - Not sure they can beat a playoff team.
15. Spring-ford - Not sure possible to do less with their roster. QB out now.
16. Plymouth-Whitemarsh - Might be a top 5 team in District 1.
17. Quakertown - Last second win catapult them to winning out?
18. Coatesville - Will make noise in playoffs.
19. Souderton - Jekyll and Hyde, but could win out.
20. Council Rock South - Outside chance of winning out.

PW (might get bored) and Cville (play both Dtowns, avoids Rustin) will climb up the playoff rankings in the coming.
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I think it's currently wide open after 6 weeks. Obviously, a lot can happen over the next month and Friday night will give us a better idea of who's near the top of D1. My Bucks are middle of the pack based on that horrible loss to Souderton, but South needing two miracles to beat them says that if West gets healthy for November, and the weather turns cold... they'll be a tough out in the playoffs.
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PIAA District 1 - Halfway Point

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CAMoleskinner said:
Fletch -

I sure hope the 'Skins see a playoff game. They'll have to go 3-1 the remainder of the run which does seem doable/possible (Pennridge, CB East and Pennsbury can be wins but I'm not banking on CB South -- and nothing against any of those teams, by the way).

We'll see soon enough.

And I'm probably stating the obvious.
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They should be a playoff team, but I'm thinking they'll come in at 6-4, with a loss to South and getting picked off by one of the other three teams. I just don't think they're at the level yet where they can run the table against those three. I think all three of those games could be one score in either direction. Their first win looked very promising, but their three wins since then came against teams with a combined three wins.

Watching them against West last week... they have size, talent (the QB was very impressive), and a good-sized roster. There's no reason that they shouldn't be competitive with the top teams in the league. Really at a crossroads with the upcoming coaching change. Hand it off to an assistant or get a full program reset with a new coach from outside the program?
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Prep LaSalle

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paul from philly said:
The Holy War. Hasn't meant much in recent years but with Brett running things, there will be no shortage of offensive strategies. But then again Tulla may be right that it will be a defensive game. Should be a good one! And I think the Beef and Ale is close enough to Upper Dublin. Right down Joshua!

Get your popcorn!!!
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Better get to the Ale House early. Game 1 starts at 4:08 and one can anticipate a packed bar.
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WPIAL 5A

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NH is kind of an odd team. Their defense is easily one of the top 5 in 5A. The LB and DB groups are elite level. The defensive line is a bit small but they have been very effective. On the other hand the offense is very average. The offensive line is not good which is a big problem. The QB was just a sandlot player when the season started. They still rely on big plays but have been showing some improvement as the season progresses. I think they are a legit team that has a chance to be 9-1 when the season ends.
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Prep LaSalle

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Stalker said:
Got a few. Will say the following.
* Both play solid defense with SJP at 21ppg, LS 7 (!)
* SJP's schedule includes no winning teams but a few real powers in OLGC and St. Eds.
OLGC at 4-2, who they edged 21-19, includes losses to undefeated Depaul-NJ and Riverdale Bapt-Md. Loss to St. Edward at 3-3 shouldn't mislead with St Ed losing to undefeated Boyle-Ky (-17), Massillon (-10) and Glenville (-1). Big wins vs Elder and Pick-North. SJP's 2nd qtr meltdown (allowed 5Tds, historic for St. Eds) something of an anomaly, despite St. Eds typically being one of the best programs in the country.
* LS's schedule is respectable (5 of 6 winners) with Harrisburg, Malvern and Calvert Hall wins but nothing like Hawks. Most of their opponents played powerful teams where you can do "linkage" for comparison. Calvert Hall at 4-2, is not their strongest team. Being routed by Spalding (6-0) 38-0 not as troubling for linkage thoughts knowing this is one of Spalding's very best teams. Harrisburg was managing (poorly) the loss of one of the best quarterbacks in the state in the opener. Most thought they were in BIG trouble but not by 38pts., 21-28 ok.
* Both score a lot of points, SJP at 32, LS at 31.

These are observations anyone can make. And I don't know these teams intimately. Saw some film where I thought SJP looked a little slower unless that was the comp of St. Ed's.....plus film that can mislead. LS's passing game could wreck things but Hawk's could steal a pick or two as well. A lot of risk in a HS passing attack.

Agree with RobberLucky that "It's hard to catch the Prep in one off-season," and leave it with that inference.
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I agree that the records and scores to this point in the season don't mean a lot.

For a team like SJP with several inexperienced players in key roles opening in Cleveland against St. Edward's was especially tough. You could focus on the 35 points they gave up in 8 or 9 minutes of the second quarter or on St. Edward's not scoring in the other three quarters and the Prep putting up two second half TDs. They should have beaten Good Counsel by a couple of TDs but a strange combination of things (including a very questionable penalty call) made it a nail-biter. Erasmus is much weaker than the Erasmus team SJP played two years ago. The Judge game was simply a big mismatch--like LaSalle's games against O'Hara and Episcopal.

Calvert Hall is not nearly at the same level of Good Counsel. LaSalle's best opponent so far has probably been Malvern, but Malvern lost to Roman, which has since lost to Bonner and by a big margin to DeMatha.

My point is obvious: very little in August and September for either team tells us much more than that LaSalle has improved a good bit and the Prep is not as strong as the they've been most years recently. I suspect the winner will be determined by penalties and turnovers--unlike in some games in recent years where the Prep got penalized much more than LaSalle but still won handily. I also think the game in November could look very different depending on injuries--not having West available at the end of the Good Counsel game made a big difference-- on how much Folkes develops, etc. Not sure how much depth LaSalle has.
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Prep LaSalle

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MC1975 said:
Thoughts?
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Got a few. Will say the following.
* Both play solid defense with SJP at 21ppg, LS 7 (!)
* SJP's schedule includes no winning teams but a few real powers in OLGC and St. Eds.
OLGC at 4-2, who they edged 21-19, includes losses to undefeated Depaul-NJ and Riverdale Bapt-Md. Loss to St. Edward at 3-3 shouldn't mislead with St Ed losing to undefeated Boyle-Ky (-17), Massillon (-10) and Glenville (-1). Big wins vs Elder and Pick-North. SJP's 2nd qtr meltdown (allowed 5Tds, historic for St. Eds) something of an anomaly, despite St. Eds typically being one of the best programs in the country.
* LS's schedule is respectable (5 of 6 winners) with Harrisburg, Malvern and Calvert Hall wins but nothing like Hawks. Most of their opponents played powerful teams where you can do "linkage" for comparison. Calvert Hall at 4-2, is not their strongest team. Being routed by Spalding (6-0) 38-0 not as troubling for linkage thoughts knowing this is one of Spalding's very best teams. Harrisburg was managing (poorly) the loss of one of the best quarterbacks in the state in the opener. Most thought they were in BIG trouble but not by 38pts., 21-28 ok.
* Both score a lot of points, SJP at 32, LS at 31.

These are observations anyone can make. And I don't know these teams intimately. Saw some film where I thought SJP looked a little slower unless that was the comp of St. Ed's.....plus film that can mislead. LS's passing game could wreck things but Hawk's could steal a pick or two as well. A lot of risk in a HS passing attack.

Agree with RobberLucky that "It's hard to catch the Prep in one off-season," and leave it with that inference.
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WPIAL 5A

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new2pa said:
That may be true. Would lead me to believe 5A not as good as people think - cause NH is not good.
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yes maybe- the local "top 25" list for Pittsburgh area- like 13 out of 25 are A? Kinda stupid. Overall, as a "group of teams" 4A is underrated, and 5A is overrated. Both have some great teams.

idk- NH looked pretty solid against PR- and they game-planned well. I would not be the "top 2" of PH, PR and NH, maybe both will make 5A semi
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WPIAL 5A

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BradlyPitt said:
but aren't they handpicking a few playoff teams this year so they don't repeat what happened with USC last year missing the playoffs with only two losses? no way they don't pick Peters if they only have a loss to USC and Bethel Park
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yes but any system is gonna be flawed and get criticized. part of my point, is the "south hills" teams in 5A are massively overrated. North Hills or Woody would kick the crap out of a couple of those teams. Several of the "wins" of those teams are 3A, yea 3, crazy. Once the "dust settles" this conference will looks weak and might not get a wildcard- so if Peters loses to Bethel and Moon, they are 4th, not locked into playoffs. That could happen
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WPIAL 5A

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2020sports said:
still too early to say- but no way South Fayette belongs that high, they might not even make the playoffs- their team has not gone "deep" in playoffs for many years- certainly not in 5A-

crazy to say, but its possible for Peters to miss the playoffs! Every team has win at least 3 conference games, and they only have 1 so far

just too early
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but aren't they handpicking a few playoff teams this year so they don't repeat what happened with USC last year missing the playoffs with only two losses? no way they don't pick Peters if they only have a loss to USC and Bethel Park
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Prep LaSalle

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paul from philly said:
The Holy War. Hasn't meant much in recent years but with Brett running things, there will be no shortage of offensive strategies. But then again Tulla may be right that it will be a defensive game. Should be a good one! And I think the Beef and Ale is close enough to Upper Dublin. Right down Joshua!

Get your popcorn!!!
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Paul, I'm not saying it will be a defensive game, only that the outcome may depend on which defense does better against the other team's offensive strength. The Prep's secondary is relatively inexperienced and has looked quite vulnerable at times.
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