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R - I’ve been asking myself same question since mid third quarter - I think it has to do with the limited games that prep has played and the fact that some records for McCord and Harrison were attainable. I realize it’s a team game, but it was so close to not try? CY is a very good team, it’s scary what Prep is.Is there any reason why McCord is still in the game throwing the ball up 55-7 with 6 minutes left? That's a bit much.
That must have been the reason, Roxy. I think the fact that McCord missed four games at the end of last year and only played six games this year made the records all the more remarkable. Still, I'm inclined to think the better decision would have been to put in the backups midway through the third quarter.R - I’ve been asking myself same question since mid third quarter - I think it has to do with the limited games that prep has played and the fact that some records for McCord and Harrison were attainable. I realize it’s a team game, but it was so close to not try? CY is a very good team, it’s scary what Prep is.
Tulla - I actually thought CY was a very good football team, but I must admit that this prep team is the best I’ve ever seen or will see. I think it’s a larger reflection on how good this team was. I also think having players play on both sides of the ball takes a toll and the fact that prep doesn’t do that is a huge advantage.That must have been the reason, Roxy. I think the fact that McCord missed four games at the end of last year and only played six games this year made the records all the more remarkable. Still, I'm inclined to think the better decision would have been to put in the backups midway through the third quarter.
The was an extraordinary senior class, and I think we've all known since they were sophomores that we almost certainly won't see another class near to it in talent.
I'm still thinking that the level of football played, at least at 6A, has declined in recent years and that the Prep is not the reason or at least the main reason. Neshaminy and PCC in '13, Parkland and P-R in '14, North Penn in '16, Coatesville and P-R in '17 were all a lot better than the three teams the Prep has beaten in the final the last three years--especially along the line of scrimmage. I wonder what others think. CY, like Harrisburg a couple of years ago, had some very good players at "skill positions" but their lines were no match for the Prep's.
Keep it simple, they are not limited to a boundary, this discussion has been done a million times. There isn’t a student in the school from DE. Prep has had students from NJ for almost 70 years. Frankly, the majority of their playmakers are from the city. The reality is that they are well coached and that makes a difference. Prep was the only CL school to win this year, so the Wood commentary is a matter of the past. Prep has no fields and a very modest weight room. It’s not a glamorous place to play ball and the school work must be done. Hate away, it is what it is.When will the PIAA address teams like Prep? Pretty ridiculous that half their roster is from NJ/DE. A lot of people complain of the lack of talent in this state when it comes to high school football. Maybe we can address the amount of kids that get stolen by prep type of schools first. To me it seems more special to win a state with the kids you got and not go out and make a “dream team”. Something has to change because I’m getting tired of watching Prep or Wood win tittle after tittle
Well, Wood is now in 6A, thanks to the PIAA, and looks as if would have a hard time coming anywhere close to a state title even if it were still in 5A. Last year's state title was very freaky.When will the PIAA address teams like Prep? Pretty ridiculous that half their roster is from NJ/DE. A lot of people complain of the lack of talent in this state when it comes to high school football. Maybe we can address the amount of kids that get stolen by prep type of schools first. To me it seems more special to win a state with the kids you got and not go out and make a “dream team”. Something has to change because I’m getting tired of watching Prep or Wood win tittle after tittle
Beating Drew Gordon’s all time city record I believe was the goal at that point.Is there any reason why McCord is still in the game throwing the ball up 55-7 with 6 minutes left? That's a bit much.
Agree...I also think Prep has the best online coaches in the state if not in the country which helps.Prep is just that good and I believe Central York would have beat. Pgh CC if Covid did not make them exit the tourney. Their qb did not have his best game but that’s what great defenses do to you. I’ve said this for years, preps online has the size but phenomenal technique. Other than my man 65 who got called for 3 penalties in a row. Ha! They were not even in mid season form with this being game 6 for them.
Soup -Prep is just that good and I believe Central York would have beat. Pgh CC if Covid did not make them exit the tourney. Their qb did not have his best game but that’s what great defenses do to you. I’ve said this for years, preps online has the size but phenomenal technique. Other than my man 65 who got called for 3 penalties in a row. Ha! They were not even in mid season form with this being game 6 for them.
Relayer - here’s the answerIs there any reason why McCord is still in the game throwing the ball up 55-7 with 6 minutes left? That's a bit much.
It’s a similar advantage/ strategy that GV uses in the Central Leahue, although they do it with vast numbers , typically with a roster size over 100. But you play 11 on offense, 11 on defense, another 11 on kickoff, 11 on kick return , etc and you have over 50 kids “ starting “. Factor in the usual amount of blow outs and they are often getting close to all 100 in the game. The other night they had 2 kids with the same jersey number on the kick off team simply because they ran out of numbers.
for me , the big advantage is you tell a kid in 9th/10th grade he is a linebacker. He only has to,learn one responsibility for 4 years - those of linebacker . You practice that everyday fir 3-4 years and it results in less missed assignments, less mental errors, therefore less physical errors come game time. While they have in recent years had some kids play both ways, the concept is the same.
Roxy - All is well brother and hope the same with you & the family! Wow. A young 0-line that will only will get better with game experience, only played 6 games.Soup -
Hope you’re well! Always straight insight. The Preps line is all sophs I believe with the exception of one junior or senior. I was perplexed last night as to why Prep left starters in late into the game and I just read that Prep thought CY needed some field justice as they kept starters in this year in two games putting up 70+ points on their opponents. I think the play call was ‘humble toss’.
Most of the games I seen this weekend in Hershey had a lot of 2 way players. That's a killer for any team at any level.To me the biggest factor of The Prep vs Anyone Else is the glaring lack of two way players on a state championship team. I thought the Prep's o-line played ok but #66 for CY was the best lineman on the field yesterday, consistently beating Prep's o-line across their faces... but he had to turn around and play on the o-line also. CY QB flips to play safety, and on and on. Where else can a player of Harrison's caliber, either of the Trotters, any of the other Prep skill players, not have to turn it around and stay on the field? That's an ENORMOUS advantage. It also means that at practice you get to compete vs your #1s on both sides of the ball.
What I would have loved to see is Prep have to line up against a completely different style of team. The only chance I think anyone would have against them is maybe a top veer team or similar that can control the ball and keep their offense off the field. Playing spread vs spread against that skill group isn't ever going to be a fair fight. Additionally, that's the style of play that they see every day at practice. While the Prep's o-line is big and dominant, it plays very tall, as is the style with most spread / zone run teams. It's hard to take advantage of that when your players are gassed from playing every down.
CY beat Northeastern on Oct. 16, 70-0, and then smoked Dallastown, 75-6, on Oct. 23. this yearIs there any reason why McCord is still in the game throwing the ball up 55-7 with 6 minutes left? That's a bit much.
Most of the games I seen this weekend in Hershey had a lot of 2 way players. That's a killer for any team at any level.
How bad were those teams, why playCY beat Northeastern on Oct. 16, 70-0, and then smoked Dallastown, 75-6, on Oct. 23. this year
I wouldn't say "almost" but, I do get what your sayingI'd say almost every team at the HS level plays a significant amount of guys both ways, if not 1 1/2 ways. To have players of Harrison and the Trotter's level and not have to flip them around and put Harrison in the secondary or Trotter at TE or H-back is just another level of depth and it's a significant advantage when your're playing a team that already has a talent deficit. Now line up and cover those guys or block them while you're tired and they just stood on the sideline for 5 minutes not only resting, but getting coached up on what's happening on the field.
I have two platooned as much as I could as a head coach. My previous school we were AAA which might be AAAA in PA we had 46 kids on varsity and two platooned. My new school we are AAAA which would be AAAAAA in PA and we had 61 in Varsity and you bet we two platooned. We do it on JV as well. As one poster stated when you do this less fatigue less chance of injury and less missed assignments. As long as I can remember many PA teams played the best on O and D even Pitt CC with a millions of kids did not two platoon. I do not know why perhaps its a regional thing but down here in NC you play the big boys they pretty much all two platoon. By no means am I saying I am a better coach or I know more than the coaches in PA I am just talking about why I two platoonAbsolutely, GV is probably the best known example of a school that doesn't have the talent level of a Prep but sticks to 2 platoon as much as possible. Besides the obvious benefits it's also probably the only way to keep those numbers year in and year out, you need to keep the kids engaged and interested. Imagine a practice where the first team O is lined up against the first team D and the kickoff teams are practicing on the other end of the field. That's a lot of extra reps for each group. Now do that at the talent level of Prep, allow the offense to get off the field during the defensive series and look at replays on the sidelines, coaching staff makes adjustments, etc... Then when a coach in the booth says, "hey #4 (who's playing both ways) has his hands on his knees, let's go after him with Harrison this series," it's lights out.
You're on the money about coaching.Here’s CY’s regular season scores: 55-0, 51-0, 56-3, 47-0, 70-0, 75-6. Needless to say, I don’t feel sorry for them. As far as Wood is concerned. It’s amazing how much coaching means.
Let's see, The Prep has their starters in at 55 - 6 and is still passing the ball.I brought it up in an earlier post but there is no way that team should have finished 3-4. I understand the teams they lost to had one combined loss. But Wood returned all but 3 starters from a state championship team. I watched the LaSalle and Malvern streams, and thought they were just as talented if not more talented than both of those teams. Coaching was an enormous difference from last year to this year. I have heard that Adkins was one of the best coaches in the area despite his young age. Obviously those are opinions of people connected to the wood program, so take that for what it is worth. But these are people that watched/interacted with Devlin and Carey for over ten years
That must have been the reason, Roxy. I think the fact that McCord missed four games at the end of last year and only played six games this year made the records all the more remarkable. Still, I'm inclined to think the better decision would have been to put in the backups midway through the third quarter.
The was an extraordinary senior class, and I think we've all known since they were sophomores that we almost certainly won't see another class near to it in talent.
I'm still thinking that the level of football played, at least at 6A, has declined in recent years and that the Prep is not the reason or at least the main reason. Neshaminy and PCC in '13, Parkland and P-R in '14, North Penn in '16, Coatesville and P-R in '17 were all a lot better than the three teams the Prep has beaten in the final the last three years--especially along the line of scrimmage. I wonder what others think. CY, like Harrisburg a couple of years ago, had some very good players at "skill positions" but their lines were no match for the Prep's.
Jealous hater - LOL ... you must be pretty lonely to have to visit this board for that commentary.Let's see, The Prep has their starters in at 55 - 6 and is still passing the ball.
Is anyone surprised by this?
At first, the theory was that McCord was trying to break some record. As if that justified the situation. I'd be embarrassed if my team was ahead 55 - 6 and was still passing the ball with starters in trying to break some silly record. Instead, SJP fans here welcomed that he was going for a record.
Then, we get news that SJP was trying to mete out some sort of"vigilante street justice" to Central York as the excuse. Why does SJP think they are the judge and jury where they decide who to punish?
To me, this is a culture thing and being supported and encouraged by the "coaches". We don't have to follow the rules here, rules are meant for others to follow, not us. We're going to go out and target and recruit football players, regardless of the rules. And then this type of attitude leafs to a total lack of control and sportsmanship to make the "coaches" and players feel good about themselves. And then The Prep syncophants just go along for the ride.
I don't want to hear what they do in the community, it doesn't matter. If SJP leadership truly stood for something, the principal or whoever is in charge should fire the head coach today.
You might note that the Prep took the starters out early against LaSalle, Roman, and Souderton.Let's see, The Prep has their starters in at 55 - 6 and is still passing the ball.
Is anyone surprised by this?
At first, the theory was that McCord was trying to break some record. As if that justified the situation. I'd be embarrassed if my team was ahead 55 - 6 and was still passing the ball with starters in trying to break some silly record. Instead, SJP fans here welcomed that he was going for a record.
Then, we get news that SJP was trying to mete out some sort of"vigilante street justice" to Central York as the excuse. Why does SJP think they are the judge and jury where they decide who to punish?
To me, this is a culture thing and being supported and encouraged by the "coaches". We don't have to follow the rules here, rules are meant for others to follow, not us. We're going to go out and target and recruit football players, regardless of the rules. And then this type of attitude leafs to a total lack of control and sportsmanship to make the "coaches" and players feel good about themselves. And then The Prep syncophants just go along for the ride.
I don't want to hear what they do in the community, it doesn't matter. If SJP leadership truly stood for something, the principal or whoever is in charge should fire the head coach today.
jhoops18, You have posted 19 messages on this board since Aug 2019 and all of them have been negative comments about the PCL with 15 of them against SJP. You truly are a hater.Let's see, The Prep has their starters in at 55 - 6 and is still passing the ball.
Is anyone surprised by this?
At first, the theory was that McCord was trying to break some record. As if that justified the situation. I'd be embarrassed if my team was ahead 55 - 6 and was still passing the ball with starters in trying to break some silly record. Instead, SJP fans here welcomed that he was going for a record.
Then, we get news that SJP was trying to mete out some sort of"vigilante street justice" to Central York as the excuse. Why does SJP think they are the judge and jury where they decide who to punish?
To me, this is a culture thing and being supported and encouraged by the "coaches". We don't have to follow the rules here, rules are meant for others to follow, not us. We're going to go out and target and recruit football players, regardless of the rules. And then this type of attitude leafs to a total lack of control and sportsmanship to make the "coaches" and players feel good about themselves. And then The Prep syncophants just go along for the ride.
I don't want to hear what they do in the community, it doesn't matter. If SJP leadership truly stood for something, the principal or whoever is in charge should fire the head coach today.
You nailed it Roxy...He has post 19 times on this board and all 19 have been some type of negative comments about the PCL with 15 of the 19 calling out SJP for one reason or another. He really is a true hater.Jealous hater - LOL ... you must be pretty lonely to have to visit this board for that commentary.
Agreed Bucks. Prep’s line a bit down, skills way up. Bad matchups as you’ll never have the skills and size to go spread against Prep. Slow it down, control and force a more skilled opponent to play assignments is your only shot with overwhelming disadvantages.To me the biggest factor of The Prep vs Anyone Else is the glaring lack of two way players on a state championship team. I thought the Prep's o-line played ok but #66 for CY was the best lineman on the field yesterday, consistently beating Prep's o-line across their faces... but he had to turn around and play on the o-line also. CY QB flips to play safety, and on and on. Where else can a player of Harrison's caliber, either of the Trotters, any of the other Prep skill players, not have to turn it around and stay on the field? That's an ENORMOUS advantage. It also means that at practice you get to compete vs your #1s on both sides of the ball.
What I would have loved to see is Prep have to line up against a completely different style of team. The only chance I think anyone would have against them is maybe a top veer team or similar that can control the ball and keep their offense off the field. Playing spread vs spread against that skill group isn't ever going to be a fair fight. Additionally, that's the style of play that they see every day at practice. While the Prep's o-line is big and dominant, it plays very tall, as is the style with most spread / zone run teams. It's hard to take advantage of that when your players are gassed from playing every down.
Agreed Bucks. Prep’s line a bit down, skills way up. Bad matchups as you’ll never have the skills and size to go spread against Prep. Slow it down, control and force a more skilled opponent to play assignments is your only shot with overwhelming disadvantages.
I'm surprised CY did as poorly as they did, ditto Central Dauphin the year before and Harrisburg the year before that. As superior as SJP is and I realize they are profoundly talented, CY, CD and Hbg were good football teams, exceptional for public school teams. I think that gets lost with the margin and constancy of SJP wins.Agreed Bucks. Prep’s line a bit down, skills way up. Bad matchups as you’ll never have the skills and size to go spread against Prep. Slow it down, control and force a more skilled opponent to play assignments is your only shot with overwhelming disadvantages.