you said state coaches for Mt Rushmore, not WPIAL, i would say he belongs on the WPIAL one but not PIAA
You listed 3 teams out of 34 state champs, 1988-2021. McKeesport, USC and Neshaminy.
Strong disagree on 1990 North Allegheny.
I'm talking about how they did in high school....not what some analyst thought they might or might not do in college or how they did at the next level. Your're certainly entitled to your view although I think that angle is WAY overplayed when assessing a high school football team. We're talking high school football here, right?
It does matter especially when you are number one in the state with 400 wins 5 wpial titles and 2 state titles. I think they said he's 23 nationally in wins all time. Oh and players and coaches don't dislike him like you said either and to say Kaspervovich did what render accomplished is asinine too.
Ok, so they had an All State quarterback, three 1,000 yard rushers, a 225 pound blocking fullback, and 245 pound all state tight end, and a 255 pound left tackle opening holes in the Wing-T. Defensively, they gave up 8 points per game, had a Parade All American middle linebacker, and an All State defensive end on a defensive line that was 260-255-245-270. In their two games against the best QB in the WPIAL (who at the time was considered one of the best quarterbacks in the eastern United States), they outscored them 54-18, running for 441 yards in one game, and holding him to 11-32 with three interceptions in the WPIAL championship game. They beat the second best team in the state 35-17, and held what was at the time the most prolific passing offense in the modern era to 14 points in the state final. Just on what they did as a high school team, I'd put them in the top half of champs, not the bottom 3.
i didn't realize i had to rank all of them, i mean that would be interesting but i don't recall them all being ranked in any of the "best teams" threads
they do dislike him, how do i know? they told me with their own mouths, why that is offensive to you I will never understand, i promise Render doesn't care about you as much as you care about him
Post the link where I can read about art walker Jr comments that shows his dislike for render and which players told you out of their mouths?
100% the guys a legend and donated a ton of his time to his players and got a lot of student athletes colleges paid for. Bradlypitt likes to talk out his ass. He's the same guy that said central valleys players dope and the school recruits. I don't know why I even argue with this dude.
every coach who coached as long as Render will always have dissenters. Hell, read Nick Saban's biography and he's got his share too. But, Render was a phenomenal coach who's peers payed him the most homage. You had to beat USC back in the day because Render's teams rarely beat themselves. They were disciplined, tough, and always had a great plan.
lol i'm not listing the players by name, funny you want me to do that but think it's out of line to say anything about Central Valley and the rumors surrounding them
so his players tell me they don't like him, but Render tells you his players like him LOL
those rich kids don't need Render to pay for anything, and he never did pay for anything
Good one, must be a hell of a coach because most people dont think rich white kids can ball. Isn't that what you said?
I did look for them and can't find them because they don't exist so why don't you help me out here
where do you coach? in the WPIAL?
LOL why do you think i woke up in the morning to say "made up crap" about Jim Render or Central Valley?
They were too little. It was either between them or 1988 central catholic but people already said them in this thread
List of winningest coaches in PA football history.
Maybe I missed something, but I can’t find bob palko on this list. He’s gotta have over 200 wins at this point
Yea- crazy- i do not see Palko's name- big oversight there- i just googled- from Fall 2021...
This is very true. I had a conversation with Neil Gordon around 25 years ago and asked him if he thought his team was flat vs. Lower Dauphin. He said "without question." He said "our players play at 3 Rivers in front of all of Western PA then a few weeks later travel to Hershey." He said "Hershey is the icing, the WPIAL title is the cake." He wasn't alone in that mindset. I don't think it was until CB West went on their run until the 4A programs started valuing the state title game like the eastern schools did.
George Novak said that was one of the top 4 teams he coached against
Render, Gordon, McCurry, etc were all saying it before CB West went on their run. I do think though that some of the WPIAL teams began to lose during the District 1 reign they were frustrated that they were losing to schools that were much bigger than theirs - N. Penn, Neshaminy, etc, they might have built in excuses.
1988 was the first year of the tournament, when else did teams from the WPIAL refuse to play in the state title game? not USC as they were willing to play in it the next year
steel- you are spot-on
