that if your from the city there is a clear dislike, not as much on this site but on eastern pa, or just different blogs, we do all realize these players are mostly still kids, the county people are filled with it, I’m really hoping, prep, wood, ihmotep and NG, move on!
I’m noticing across the state....
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It's not just a D12 thing. A school with open borders will get scrutinized wherever it's located.
Folks out west can't stand Cathedral Prep. TJ coach Bill Cherpak on playing Cathedral Prep next: “We’ll go up there and play the all-star team and be ready to go.”
Last year his quote was this, “It’s an unfair advantage,” Cherpak said. “The whole recruiting part of it, that is just something they do. They’re not breaking the rules. They just have an unfair advantage. They do what they are allowed to do.”
Ask schools and fans in the Lehigh Valley what they thought of those Bob Stem Beca teams. So much that they refused Beca's entrance into the new Lehigh Valley Conference 15 years ago
Bristol's coach after playing West Catholic. “It’s public against private,” Greiner said. “We have one square mile to draw our kids from, and they have no boundaries. I’m not making excuses, and I’m proud of my kids for playing until the end. They have heart and fight and they didn’t quit. They represented our school and community fabulously tonight.”
I'll be interested to see more quotes in the upcoming weeks.
Yes, everyone is beating a dead horse. Take your issues to the PIAA.
Folks out west can't stand Cathedral Prep. TJ coach Bill Cherpak on playing Cathedral Prep next: “We’ll go up there and play the all-star team and be ready to go.”
Last year his quote was this, “It’s an unfair advantage,” Cherpak said. “The whole recruiting part of it, that is just something they do. They’re not breaking the rules. They just have an unfair advantage. They do what they are allowed to do.”
Ask schools and fans in the Lehigh Valley what they thought of those Bob Stem Beca teams. So much that they refused Beca's entrance into the new Lehigh Valley Conference 15 years ago
Bristol's coach after playing West Catholic. “It’s public against private,” Greiner said. “We have one square mile to draw our kids from, and they have no boundaries. I’m not making excuses, and I’m proud of my kids for playing until the end. They have heart and fight and they didn’t quit. They represented our school and community fabulously tonight.”
I'll be interested to see more quotes in the upcoming weeks.
Yes, everyone is beating a dead horse. Take your issues to the PIAA.
Relayer, although I agree with everything you said, I think you're off the mark slightly. I think this is more in reference to people calling Southern Columbia "well-coached", but call N-G "athletic". There seems to be some disrespect for the city teams without even giving them the chance to prove themselves. Run4 hit it right on the head.
The race thing is overrated-resentment against privates/Catholics because they can poach from unlimited boundaries-
Maybe 10-12 public teams who have a legitimate chance year in and year out to compete in 6A-once in a while there might be a Cinderella, but the reality is there are only a small sprinkle of public schools in 6A who have a chance to win
Maybe 10-12 public teams who have a legitimate chance year in and year out to compete in 6A-once in a while there might be a Cinderella, but the reality is there are only a small sprinkle of public schools in 6A who have a chance to win
"Poaching" suggests that the players/students belong to public schools and that they're being illegally or unfairly taken from those schools or districts. The metaphor is flawed.
It will be interesting to see if the rhetoric changes if Parkland or Coatesville beats SJP in the next two weeks, especially since P-R so soundly beat PCC last weekend.
Parkland has won their district title six years in a row, something neither LaSalle or SJP has ever done. Makes me wonder if there is even a "small sprinkle of schools" in D11 that have a chance to win the D11 title. Is the problem that private/Catholic schools don't have boundaries or is it that for various reasons the gap between very good teams and all the rest is growing?
Honestly, Have you ever seen the resources that inner city public schools have to offer children. If we were truly being honest with ourselves city teams will always be at disadvantage.
No doubt city public/charter schools, in most instances, have a tough climb. Albie always did a great job at Tep despite the circumstances. Those coaches, in so many cases, make an incredible difference in the kids' lives-they save so many kids through football.
Poaching/recruiting, whatever you want to call it-it's an advantage.
Isn't Parkland the largest public school in D11? Right mix of kids too.
No doubt the gap has widened in D1, D11, D7 6A-and only 9 or 10 teams in 6A District 7 next season-but comparing D1 and D7, they are completely different-football is still king-lacrosse and other things to do not as prevalent...
Poaching/recruiting, whatever you want to call it-it's an advantage.
Isn't Parkland the largest public school in D11? Right mix of kids too.
No doubt the gap has widened in D1, D11, D7 6A-and only 9 or 10 teams in 6A District 7 next season-but comparing D1 and D7, they are completely different-football is still king-lacrosse and other things to do not as prevalent...
It's an argument that will never likely end. And I don't think there's a right / wrong side. But personally , give me 10-15 D1 type athletes and nake them walk a half mile to practice on a grass field with no goal posts any day of the week over a team with average talent level , a state of the art weight room and a turf field. When you are talking sports , talent is a 'resource ' too. Now every once in a while , talent meets facilities and you get a Pine Richland.
my 2 cents..I agree with whoever said take it to the PIAA...
private schools do not have boundaries so they are not breaking any rules.. Philly public schools have a much bigger footprint to draw from due to the size of the district.. but is that really any different then say NP with 1500 + males playing say HH with 600ish.. not really.. so if you are going to say that non-boundaries schools have the advantages.. they may have some in terms of where they get their players from.. don't discount the size of your school vs your league competition...
and also give the coaches a little credit.. as I have said in the past..I'm an NP grad 110 years ago (my wife went to wood - 20 years ago - ya baby).. anyway before NP had Beck,Pettine and even Shanhan (sorry spelling).. we had Wrably (2-8, 1-9,) and Wild 0-11 etc. using the same 1300-1500 male population draw...in 1977 lost to LC which had maybe 300 males but they had a great coach in Coach Algeo...
For me the issue today isn't some much the teams but the alumni (including NPs).. you have private schools that are all-star teams with alumni forgetting they have all star teams acting like they invented the game and playing with all local kids...just call it what it is.. your not breaking any rules
in NPs case.. kids who transfer into the school for a year or two with no tie to the community ..acting like they own the game when they beat a school 1/3 their size .. and complain about unfair advantageous when they lose to Prep. LS etc..
Just play the game.. complain to the PIAA if you like...but until the rules change for non-boundary schools or public schools get penalized for doing something they shouldn't be doing.. nothing will change..
private schools do not have boundaries so they are not breaking any rules.. Philly public schools have a much bigger footprint to draw from due to the size of the district.. but is that really any different then say NP with 1500 + males playing say HH with 600ish.. not really.. so if you are going to say that non-boundaries schools have the advantages.. they may have some in terms of where they get their players from.. don't discount the size of your school vs your league competition...
and also give the coaches a little credit.. as I have said in the past..I'm an NP grad 110 years ago (my wife went to wood - 20 years ago - ya baby).. anyway before NP had Beck,Pettine and even Shanhan (sorry spelling).. we had Wrably (2-8, 1-9,) and Wild 0-11 etc. using the same 1300-1500 male population draw...in 1977 lost to LC which had maybe 300 males but they had a great coach in Coach Algeo...
For me the issue today isn't some much the teams but the alumni (including NPs).. you have private schools that are all-star teams with alumni forgetting they have all star teams acting like they invented the game and playing with all local kids...just call it what it is.. your not breaking any rules
in NPs case.. kids who transfer into the school for a year or two with no tie to the community ..acting like they own the game when they beat a school 1/3 their size .. and complain about unfair advantageous when they lose to Prep. LS etc..
Just play the game.. complain to the PIAA if you like...but until the rules change for non-boundary schools or public schools get penalized for doing something they shouldn't be doing.. nothing will change..
OK, I understand what you're saying, but I didn't see anything referring to SC and N-G. The OP also referenced Wood and Prep, two schools that have more than proven themselves with great coaching and great players. Based on that I took the comment as a generalization against open boundary schools. District 12 is an easy target, especially when many are contending for state titles year after year.
This is a argument that happens at this time every year when its all said and done most years it will be SJP or LS AW TEP WC N-G
They are private/catholic charter schools .Then we have Np with transfers
other schools with kids being reclassified Im sure all the big 6A have transfers
and different ways to get kids into their schools
I think with the way the privates are set up you have to compete so do what you can.Sooner or later it will become the crapper HS BB has become.
They are private/catholic charter schools .Then we have Np with transfers
other schools with kids being reclassified Im sure all the big 6A have transfers
and different ways to get kids into their schools
I think with the way the privates are set up you have to compete so do what you can.Sooner or later it will become the crapper HS BB has become.
I am a Parkland fan and I think that the issue they have is not playing a tough enough schedule. Because their conference has enough teams to fill all slots during the season all they know is their own league.If they could schedule a non-league contest against comparable teams to St. Joe's they would have an idea of how to play and be able to adjust to the full game pressure of St.Joe's. It's like a chess match and they play checkers in their league. They have the coaching and talent pool to compete with the upper echelon schools but have no experience to draw upon when facing the PCL champ.You only get better by playing better competition.
Why do they play crossover games exclusively? With 9 teams in each conference, that's 8 conf games, so they could play others....but don't.
The Mid Penn and others....SOL, Ches Mont and PCL often goes out of conference; Harrisburg playing Imhotep, Cumberland Valley playing Coatesville, CD playing Wilson and Manheim. What's up with the EPC?
The Mid Penn and others....SOL, Ches Mont and PCL often goes out of conference; Harrisburg playing Imhotep, Cumberland Valley playing Coatesville, CD playing Wilson and Manheim. What's up with the EPC?
A school like So. Columbia has a somewhat captive Market with that school having almost 100 % of athletes in the District attending that particular school. I'm not familiar with them except watching them year in and year out achieving great success,=Good established program and very good coaches. I saw that this years squad has 55 players listed and 20 of their players are over 200 lbs. That's incredible for a 2A school. Many of those schools located in very rural areas get all the athletes without worrying about open enrollment or recruiting. A great deal of the city schools in Phila. compete against each other for talent .Its not as simple as some folks make it out to be. Its too bad enrollment is such a concern for the PCL schools . I sure liked it better when each school had its designated parishes.
They are REQUIRED to play two crossover games. It is hated by fans of our EPC-South. It isn't Parkland's choice. When the Mountain Valley Conference were allowed in, it changed everything. Personally, Whitehall had a series going with Spring Ford that was not renewed. Easton was playing Pennsbury.
I went to a CYO championship game at Penn Charter over the weekend. There were representatives from Penn Charter, and La Salle there to press their points. Oh yeah, there were a few publics there too, namely Upper Dublin and Abington. Now what could be going on there? Just sayin'!
Pubs have gotten around the "recruiting" issue for centuries, maybe not to the extent of the privates but sometimes all it takes is one. Once again, if you got a problem, take it to the PIAA!!
Pubs have gotten around the "recruiting" issue for centuries, maybe not to the extent of the privates but sometimes all it takes is one. Once again, if you got a problem, take it to the PIAA!!
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Not sure what schools were taking part in the Championship, but like privates I am sure the public schools who had kids in their district taking part were there trying to sell their programs and keep their kids in district. Again, I have no clue what schools were taking part or where they were from but would be logical for them to be there if kids from their district were taking part.
I know the 2nt Street warriors were one, and recently Penn charter has been all over them, they are traditionally a NG/Roman/prep feeder, but the last few years a couple went to Penn charter on a scholarship type thing, now that really makes the field uneven, one thing to pay a catholic school $7500-$8500 that’s not near you, completely different to go to a $30,000 a year school
There was a kid there who scored on a run, a catch and a punt return and a friend, whose son is on the team, said they were all there looking at this one kid. The friend said he heard after the game Penn Charter offered right then and there and the parents turned them down.
Hey Paul
You want a list that turned down lasalle over the last 3 years? BTW glad you are watching CYO while the Prep and Wood are playing for another state title. Best of luck next year!!
These coaches need to take a step back and change their diapers. They’re not solving inner city poverty here. It’s high school football...an extracurricular...a game. The schools...as in wherever the kid chooses to go...should be there for the kid. Not vice versa. This incessant whining never stops. If N-G wins you hear the “catholic school” whine. If SoCol wins you hear the “paying players” whine. NEVER.EVER.STOPS.
Well said pt (!) and welcome to the new world order were they guys are better whiners than the women. Mandatory Military for all! But then, this is a sports board and that's why we give them the ducketts. But some of the views are head scratchers.