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I agree.... tipped ball & interception on that screen or Taggart was going to the house. 38-35 LS. I think Coleman went off.lasalles comeback victory at pw years ago was one of the best games I've ever seen.
Or how about 5A? Wood versus Ryan is one playoff bracket entirely? Then the other 94 schools feed in to the other?
DP addition is about growth, or the appearance of growth regardless of caliber.I'm an old school Catholic League guy too who went to SJP at the same time Dougherty was the largest Catholic high school in the world. So things change. I couldn't have imagined a PCL without North Catholic, and we almost lost West Catholic and Bonner. So ,,,, with all the changes afoot I wouldn't be sure of anything more than five years out. But I agree with you on at least one thing--I can't get my head around Devon Prep being in the PCL.
I guess everyone also gets a trophy in this wussed out world managed by wimps in the PIAA in Hburg and at the district level..They were very clear on two things. First, there will be an equal number of public schools and private schools in their respective playoffs. Second, the winners will be declared the public school state champion and the private school state champion and those two teams will play each other for the overall state championship.
I applaud that last part, but it makes the rest of it a little confusing. In District One there are 16 playoff teams. Where the f*** are we getting 16 private schools in D1 ?! Maybe there's something that I am missing.
Serious Question here.
Why are people against having a separate private and public school state champion?
I feel like it makes sense to just have all private schools compete for one state title and for the public schools to have their own state title. Not sure why there is a big push back to not separate the two.
It centers around the fact that you won't have the best team as state champion and it will be seen as a tie. 2003 is a very good example. Both SJP and North Penn were nationally ranked in the top 10, close in proximity to one another, would have been same classification, and didn't play because SJP couldn't compete in the state playoffs.
Where the f*** are we getting 16 private schools in D1 ?! Maybe there's something that I am missing
If D12 consolidates with D1
Re-configure districts and drop back to 4 classifications.If you stay at six classes, here's what it looks like:
6A - 5 Schools
LaSalle (D12)
Roman Catholic (D12)
St. Joseph's Prep (D12)
Pittsburgh Central Catholic (D7)
Father Judge (D12)
So, one team misses state playoffs and a four team bracket with the rest?
5A - 2 Schools
Archbishop Ryan (D12)
Archbishop Wood (D12)
Single game playoff for the state championship?
4A - 9 Schools
Erie Cathedral Prep (D10)
Archbishop Carroll (D12)
Cardinal O'Hara (D12)
Monsignor Bonner (D12)
Bishop Shanahan (D1)
Bishop McDevitt (D3)
Allentown Central Catholic (D11)
Berks Catholic (D3)
Bethlehem Catholic (D11)
If you eliminate one team, there's an eight team state bracket here
3A - 10 Schools
Notre Dame Green-Pond (D11)
Lansdale Catholic (D12)
Pope John Paul II (D1)
Scranton Prep (D2)
Mercyhurst Prep (D10)
Lancaster Catholic (D3)
North Catholic (D7)
Neumann Goretti (D12)
Holy Redeemer (D2)
Bishop McDevitt (D12)
Bottom two finishers are out, then an eight team bracket?
2A - 7 Schools
Shady Side Academy (D7)
West Catholic (D12)
Seton LaSalle (D7)
Delone Catholic (D3)
York Catholic (D3)
Serra Catholic (D7)
Bishop Carroll (D6)
Top team gets a bye in a seven team bracket?
1A - 13 Schools
Vincentian Academy (D7)
Valley Forge Military Academy (D1)
Holy Cross (D2)
Marian Catholic (D11)
Bishop Guilfoyle (D6)
Our Lady of the Sacred Heart (D7)
Bishop McCort (D6)
Bishop Canevin (D7)
Greensburg Central Catholic (D7)
Saint Joseph Academy (D6)
Elk County Catholic (D9)
Nativity BVM (D11)
Imani Christian Academy (D7)
You've got an eight team bracket here, and the most geographic diversity in any of the classes
This playoff setup would be the only way you'd get the "private vs. public" title game at the end. You can't have district level tournaments in any of the classes because there are not enough teams. Nor can you split things up geographically very easily. Two private school classifications would make significantly more sense, but that rules out a provision of the bill (unless the two champs get to pick which class of public school champs they want to challenge?)
Re-configure districts and drop back to 4 classifications.
Sure it's a non-starter because it's difficult and challenging, a task the powers that be are NOT up to. So we'll continue along in this charade of a playoff system that no one likes.If you think they’re going to redraw district lines, I’ve got beach front property in Kansas to sell you. That’s been a nonstarter for years, no matter how many problems it would solve.
Ok, here is the real issue nobody is really speaking on unless I’ve missed it.
When you separate public and private, what is the benefit for the private to be goverened by the PIAA?
Do you know what a private “league” looks like in PA? Not good for the public schools.
InterAc/PCL, regional games with N Jersey power house schools, some national games etc. Oh, and no transfer rules! Public should quit while they are ahead.
Do you know what a private “league” looks like in PA? Not good for the public schools.
InterAc/PCL, regional games with N Jersey power house schools, some national games etc. Oh, and no transfer rules! Public should quit while they are ahead.
How is this different than St. Joseph’s Prep now?
Because right now there is only one Prep. This makes it easy for 5 Preps. Again look at N. Jersey.
Rover as that may seem like a reasonable take, I can tell you that I believe the rest of the state has no idea of the real culture of philly. The whole city and immediate surrounding area is the town. So no one cares about "my town vs. your town". Right now the talent is as diffused among the privates and pubs in area as I have seen. I am telling you, if you split pub vs private and at the end of the year the big games are Prep vs PCC or Lasalle on big school and West C vs NG or Beca or something like that on smaller school you are going to see some serious shifting of talent here. Those games will grow to be bigger (at least in philly) than anything you have seen. Philly has talent on talent on talent. Right now you have it diffused pretty well.....just sayin.
Rover,If you stay at six classes, here's what it looks like:
6A - 5 Schools
LaSalle (D12)
Roman Catholic (D12)
St. Joseph's Prep (D12)
Pittsburgh Central Catholic (D7)
Father Judge (D12)
So, one team misses state playoffs and a four team bracket with the rest?
5A - 2 Schools
Archbishop Ryan (D12)
Archbishop Wood (D12)
Single game playoff for the state championship?
4A - 9 Schools
Erie Cathedral Prep (D10)
Archbishop Carroll (D12)
Cardinal O'Hara (D12)
Monsignor Bonner (D12)
Bishop Shanahan (D1)
Bishop McDevitt (D3)
Allentown Central Catholic (D11)
Berks Catholic (D3)
Bethlehem Catholic (D11)
If you eliminate one team, there's an eight team state bracket here
3A - 10 Schools
Notre Dame Green-Pond (D11)
Lansdale Catholic (D12)
Pope John Paul II (D1)
Scranton Prep (D2)
Mercyhurst Prep (D10)
Lancaster Catholic (D3)
North Catholic (D7)
Neumann Goretti (D12)
Holy Redeemer (D2)
Bishop McDevitt (D12)
Bottom two finishers are out, then an eight team bracket?
2A - 7 Schools
Shady Side Academy (D7)
West Catholic (D12)
Seton LaSalle (D7)
Delone Catholic (D3)
York Catholic (D3)
Serra Catholic (D7)
Bishop Carroll (D6)
Top team gets a bye in a seven team bracket?
1A - 13 Schools
Vincentian Academy (D7)
Valley Forge Military Academy (D1)
Holy Cross (D2)
Marian Catholic (D11)
Bishop Guilfoyle (D6)
Our Lady of the Sacred Heart (D7)
Bishop McCort (D6)
Bishop Canevin (D7)
Greensburg Central Catholic (D7)
Saint Joseph Academy (D6)
Elk County Catholic (D9)
Nativity BVM (D11)
Imani Christian Academy (D7)
You've got an eight team bracket here, and the most geographic diversity in any of the classes
This playoff setup would be the only way you'd get the "private vs. public" title game at the end. You can't have district level tournaments in any of the classes because there are not enough teams. Nor can you split things up geographically very easily. Two private school classifications would make significantly more sense, but that rules out a provision of the bill (unless the two champs get to pick which class of public school champs they want to challenge?)
Rover,
Where are all the Public/Charter schools in D12? For all intents and purposes they are basically considered open enrollment too