Paul, One big difference between The Notre Dame Fighting Irish and, say, the The Cleveland Indians is that Notre Dame has always had a lot of Irish Americans who, at the very least, went along with the nickname, the leprechaun, etc. My bet is that most of the leprechauns down the years have been Irish-Americans. On the other hand, I highly doubt any actual Indians were involved in the naming of the baseball team in Cleveland, in the design of the logo, etc. This is not a huge issue for me, but I think it's useful to note the difference.I'll give you Redskins. Personally I never thought it was derogatory but I'm not an indian. What I do have a problem with is the Cleveland Indians. So what? The Florida State Seminoles. Where is there a problem with that? The Fighting Illini of the Univerity of Illinois?? My sons used to play for the Lenape Valley Indians in youth sports. What is so wrong with that name? I don't get it. Being Irish should I be upset that Notre Dame has a leprachaun as it's mascot or their name is The Fighting Irish? Come on people!!!
Paul, One big difference between The Notre Dame Fighting Irish and, say, the The Cleveland Indians is that Notre Dame has always had a lot of Irish Americans who, at the very least, went along with the nickname, the leprechaun, etc. My bet is that most of the leprechauns down the years have been Irish-Americans. On the other hand, I highly doubt any actual Indians were involved in the naming of the baseball team in Cleveland, in the design of the logo, etc. This is not a huge issue for me, but I think it's useful to note the difference.
Paul, Actually ... many Native Americans/Indigenous people are rejecting being called Indians--Columbus was wrong about where he landed!--and I don't know who invented "Braves." With the Blackhawks I think the issue is more with the logo. Remember when we were young and "colored people" (as in NAACP) was the correct or polite term? Life continues to evolve, mostly for the better, but sometimes the pace picks up.Tulla, the Chief Wahoo logo has been gone for while. I'm just referring to the name Indians. And the Atlanta Braves, Chicago Blackhawks, Kansas City Chiefs. Not one of those nicknames is offensive, I don't think. But, again, I'm not a Native American.
Hey Rover, cross your fingers that some wacko PETA member doesn’t get a hair up their ass and decide “Red Rovers” is mean and misrepresents the breed.