My takeaway from 2024 PIAA state championships

[northalleghenytiger]

1. Much more entertaining games this year than last. 3 classics and 3 duds. Better than nothing.

2. Private school domination this year. I won’t get into how I feel because I’ve already made my position clear. It’s terrible

3. This might have been the worst wpial performance at the state level ever. Two finalists. Zero winners. Just awful this year. We peaked in 2021 with 5 finalists and 4 winners

4. This was they year to beat St. joes. Unfortunately, this Central team wasn’t as good as ‘17 pine or ‘21 Lebo. I thought SJP QB was really questionable, but ultimately He’s just a sophomore. He will improve and they will be harder to beat. They will win the next two with Harrison WR dominating.

 

[new2pa]

No surprise.

 

[Vikingofpittsburgh]

That was bad. Different levels of talent.

 

[new2pa]

That was bad. Different levels of talent.

Wanna get your opinion. Lots of talk that AD hired Lehmeier because he would be … “compliant”. He and staff want kids to get into PCC tuition free, etc.

But, they are exactly where they were with Totten el al. But AD got his “yes men”

Happy or no?

 

[Vikingofpittsburgh]

Wanna get your opinion. Lots of talk that AD hired Lehmeier because he would be … “compliant”. He and staff want kids to get into PCC tuition free, etc.

But, they are exactly where they were with Totten el al. But AD got his “yes men” with Lehmeier, Sasson, Neff , etc.

Happy or no?

As far as on field results go, I cannot be too upset. After starting 0-2, they were dominant the rest of the way. He is 22-5 through two seasons. 2023 was a little frustrating because of how stacked they were. This year though, im satisfied. Losing to SJP is not shameful. It is also the our first time in the state final since 2016. I could see him staying awhile.

 

[new2pa]

Ya. He’s certainly not going to make waves and is a very good coach so they will continue to win their fair share.

 

[sammyk]

What you have is an area of Pennsylvania (western PA. who's population continues to shrink and an area SEPA who's population continues to grow. Over the past 10-20 years you have seen western PA lose people hand over fist. Long gone are the past powerhouses like (MCKeespot, Upper St Clair, North Hills, Woodland Hills, Penn Hills , Gateway)that were once big boy football royalty. These schools are shells of their formal selves due to population decline. I see the WPIAL becoming less and less of a factor as the years go on. In the outskirts of the WPIAL such teams as Connesville(who were at one time a more than solid program) Albert Gallitine, Uniontown, Brownsville. Do not even compete in the WPIAL anymore and Greene County PA might be some of the worst football in the state of PA. I could be wrong but I think that I am correct the great WPIAL teams of the past are that the past. Also take into account the rest of western PA, Johnstown is nothing than a ghost town dung heap that once produced great football teams. No so much anymore. Erie that used to produce Great McDowell and Prep teams has not been significant in a decade. from Harrisburg west not much going on fellas all the growth is from Harrisburg East. And I feel that the majority of the titles will come from that area

 

[tulla]

What you have is an area of Pennsylvania (western PA. who's population continues to shrink and an area SEPA who's population continues to grow. Over the past 10-20 years you have seen western PA lose people hand over fist. Long gone are the past powerhouses like (MCKeespot, Upper St Clair, North Hills, Woodland Hills, Penn Hills , Gateway)that were once big boy football royalty. These schools are shells of their formal selves due to population decline. I see the WPIAL becoming less and less of a factor as the years go on. In the outskirts of the WPIAL such teams as Connesville(who were at one time a more than solid program) Albert Gallitine, Uniontown, Brownsville. Do not even compete in the WPIAL anymore and Greene County PA might be some of the worst football in the state of PA. I could be wrong but I think that I am correct the great WPIAL teams of the past are that the past. Also take into account the rest of western PA, Johnstown is nothing than a ghost town dung heap that once produced great football teams. No so much anymore. Erie that used to produce Great McDowell and Prep teams has not been significant in a decade. from Harrisburg west not much going on fellas all the growth is from Harrisburg East. And I feel that the majority of the titles will come from that area

Hard to believe it's all down to population growth or decline, Sammy. Might it also have something to do with how many kids of the total in the schools are coming out to play football? A few years ago (2021?) several people on here were saying what a good year it was for the WPIAL in the PIAA playoffs.

 

[BradlyPitt]

Hard to believe it's all down to population growth or decline, Sammy. Might it also have something to do with how many kids of the total in the schools are coming out to play football? A few years ago (2021?) several people on here were saying what a good year it was for the WPIAL in the PIAA playoffs.

4 titles out of 6 is great, no other district ever won 4 in one season

 

[BradlyPitt]

What you have is an area of Pennsylvania (western PA. who's population continues to shrink and an area SEPA who's population continues to grow. Over the past 10-20 years you have seen western PA lose people hand over fist. Long gone are the past powerhouses like (MCKeespot, Upper St Clair, North Hills, Woodland Hills, Penn Hills , Gateway)that were once big boy football royalty. These schools are shells of their formal selves due to population decline. I see the WPIAL becoming less and less of a factor as the years go on. In the outskirts of the WPIAL such teams as Connesville(who were at one time a more than solid program) Albert Gallitine, Uniontown, Brownsville. Do not even compete in the WPIAL anymore and Greene County PA might be some of the worst football in the state of PA. I could be wrong but I think that I am correct the great WPIAL teams of the past are that the past. Also take into account the rest of western PA, Johnstown is nothing than a ghost town dung heap that once produced great football teams. No so much anymore. Erie that used to produce Great McDowell and Prep teams has not been significant in a decade. from Harrisburg west not much going on fellas all the growth is from Harrisburg East. And I feel that the majority of the titles will come from that area

it's one down year, the only year since 1992 that the wpial didn't win a title

still have by far the most in the state with 58 titles

maybe those schools you named aren't as good as they used to be, but they are still very good for the most part, Woodland Hills and North Hills have really fallen off since they lost their long time coaches

if you're going back a decade like you said, that was the golden age for Erie Cathedral Prep

population decline is not to blame for anything, it's the CHEATING from the PCL that is ruining everything

 

[tulla]

it's one down year, the only year since 1992 that the wpial didn't win a title

still have by far the most in the state with 58 titles

maybe those schools you named aren't as good as they used to be, but they are still very good for the most part, Woodland Hills and North Hills have really fallen off since they lost their long time coaches

if you're going back a decade like you said, that was the golden age for Erie Cathedral Prep

population decline is not to blame for anything, it's the CHEATING from the PCL that is ruining everything

To cheat you have to break a rule. What PIAA rule has SJP broken? You can say it's unfair, and you can say the rules should be changed, but you can't say PCL schools are cheating unless you can point to their breaking a rule.

 

[RCH13co18]

To cheat you have to break a rule. What PIAA rule has SJP broken? You can say it's unfair, and you can say the rules should be changed, but you can't say PCL schools are cheating unless you can point to their breaking a rule.

That’s just Brad. He thinks any school that wins are cheating.

 

[sammyk]

OK guys just look at the map of PA and look over the past 20 years the decline of population in PA. All of Western PA even Allegheny county is down. Also outside of Allegheny county other than Aliquippa who really wins in football constantly?? Belle Vernon, maybe. Back in the day you had the Mon River Valley packed with great teams. Starting around Brownsvile all the way up to Steel Valley. Ringold, Monesson, Charleroi, Beth Center,Elizabeth Forward. None of those teams are even close to what they once were. Wash High used to be a state power now they are not even in the top 5 in the WPIAL. The football is not as good or as deep as it once was and that trend will continue. And if you expand out of the WPIAL do we remember schools like Tyrone, or Sharon, Farrell, Greater Johnstown, ect ect. None of those schools are even a threat for a PIAA title. Will you have that "year" when you have "that team" where things line up yes but those will become fewer and further between. Also if you look how many people have moved out that their kids played sports in other places. As a poster put on here a few years ago all of the Hunkies and their sons are gone. You guys know me and you all know I am a WPIAL guy and always will be I hope that I am wrong.

 

[Stalker]

OK guys just look at the map of PA and look over the past 20 years the decline of population in PA. All of Western PA even Allegheny county is down. Also outside of Allegheny county other than Aliquippa who really wins in football constantly?? Belle Vernon, maybe. Back in the day you had the Mon River Valley packed with great teams. Starting around Brownsvile all the way up to Steel Valley. Ringold, Monesson, Charleroi, Beth Center,Elizabeth Forward. None of those teams are even close to what they once were. Wash High used to be a state power now they are not even in the top 5 in the WPIAL. The football is not as good or as deep as it once was and that trend will continue. And if you expand out of the WPIAL do we remember schools like Tyrone, or Sharon, Farrell, Greater Johnstown, ect ect. None of those schools are even a threat for a PIAA title. Will you have that "year" when you have "that team" where things line up yes but those will become fewer and further between. Also if you look how many people have moved out that their kids played sports in other places. As a poster put on here a few years ago all of the Hunkies and their sons are gone. You guys know me and you all know I am a WPIAL guy and always will be I hope that I am wrong.

You make a good point using Harrisburg and the river as a line splitting the state north to south. Most of the good teams and power today is Harrisburg and points East, even without the PCL. I think the Wpial still has good teams but nothing like they used to, with Erie really dropping off!
With Erie, they only ever had Prep and McDowell with Strong Vincent now closed. Other steady "western" (west of the river) teams are State College and Bishop Guifoyle. So you're right, it really thins out west of Harrisburg. And that's largely where the population centers drop off with MAJOR pop centers east of the river.

 

[northalleghenytiger]

Dr. Lombardi needs to resign and give the position to me. PIAA would be great under my leadership. Every state title game would have like 20k attendees

 

[northalleghenytiger]

It’s really not funny. If you want a laugh look at these numbers. It’s time to change leadership

 

[steelcurtain55.]

Do you think attendance would go up if the game were held in Pittsburgh or Philly?

Maryland had 18k+ for 6 classes last year. Their game is played in Annapolis which is probably easier to get to for the majority of the state vs. Harrisburg in PA.

 

[sammyk]

How about you do this
1A St Francis University
2A Gettysburg college
3A IUP
4A Millersville
5A Bloomsburg
6A Bucknell
7A Penn State

Since PA does not have a slew of colleges in the center of the state you might have to spread them out and use the smaller schools. Do A, AA AAA on Friday AAAA, AAAAA, AAAAAA on Saturday. Start on 12 Friday and go until you are done. Or just use 2 to 3 sites. Millersville and Bucknell

 

[northalleghenytiger]

Honestly who thought Cumberland Valley was a good idea? Why on earth is the apex of the football season played at a highschool???? Every other state is laughing at us. People should be fired based on that alone. Idiots man

 

[tulla]

Honestly who thought Cumberland Valley was a good idea? Why on earth is the apex of the football season played at a highschool???? Every other state is laughing at us. People should be fired based on that alone. Idiots man

Hershey certainly seemed more like a destination--and there was a history there.

I've always liked the idea of Bucknell: nice stadium (not too large, as PSU would be, but an obvious step above a high school field), central location, a number of hotels/motels nearby.

More important than the site is figuring out how many classifications there should be--six seems like too many to me--and whether you have separate classifications for boundary and non-boundary schools. Hard to see how the non-boundary schools would need as many playoff rounds before the final. So should all the finals still be scheduled on the same weekend? Also, no one seems to have addressed the question of whether all the Philly public schools should be considered boundary or non-boundary. (They all accept students from anywhere in the city.) Recently IMHOTEP has been the only PPL school anyone has focused on, but it's quite possible at least one more (maybe in a different classification) develops a good program in the next few years.

 

[2020sports]

How about you do this
1A St Francis University
2A Gettysburg college
3A IUP
4A Millersville
5A Bloomsburg
6A Bucknell
7A Penn State

Since PA does not have a slew of colleges in the center of the state you might have to spread them out and use the smaller schools. Do A, AA AAA on Friday AAAA, AAAAA, AAAAAA on Saturday. Start on 12 Friday and go until you are done. Or just use 2 to 3 sites. Millersville and Bucknell

yes college sites would be much better for many reasons

 

[2020sports]

Honestly who thought Cumberland Valley was a good idea? Why on earth is the apex of the football season played at a highschool???? Every other state is laughing at us. People should be fired based on that alone. Idiots man

CV is stupid, but there is too much apathy at the district levels- to push for change the schools, and "districts" need to speak up.

from what I recall Penn State was seriously considered as a host site, but the cost was too high

yes, Hershey was much more of a destination, had flaws, but much more fun

there are many things that the PIAA could do to make the whole system better, more fun, with more attendance, but i don't think they care

 

[2020sports]

Do you think attendance would go up if the game were held in Pittsburgh or Philly?

Maryland had 18k+ for 6 classes last year. Their game is played in Annapolis which is probably easier to get to for the majority of the state vs. Harrisburg in PA.

steel- i have wondered for years, why Football never seems to use Highmark stadium in Pittsburgh? Any insight? Maybe WPIAL final could use that also?

In theory- maybe alternate state championships from Steelers stadium one year, to Eagles stadium the following year? It the friggin championship of a fairly large state, and the "reward" is playing at a HS with nice bathrooms?

 

[RoverNation05]

Hershey certainly seemed more like a destination--and there was a history there.

I've always liked the idea of Bucknell: nice stadium (not too large, as PSU would be, but an obvious step above a high school field), central location, a number of hotels/motels nearby.

More important than the site is figuring out how many classifications there should be--six seems like too many to me--and whether you have separate classifications for boundary and non-boundary schools. Hard to see how the non-boundary schools would need as many playoff rounds before the final. So should all the finals still be scheduled on the same weekend? Also, no one seems to have addressed the question of whether all the Philly public schools should be considered boundary or non-boundary. (They all accept students from anywhere in the city.) Recently IMHOTEP has been the only PPL school anyone has focused on, but it's quite possible at least one more (maybe in a different classification) develops a good program in the next few years.

To answer your question on Philly public schools and the open enrollment question - I feel strongly that they would compete as boundary schools.

Yes, if I live in Philadelphia, I am eligible to apply to any of the schools in the city. But those schools don’t have admissions departments, nor can they select their students. They set admission criteria (minimums for grades, PSSA scores, attendance). Every student who applies to a school who meets the criteria gets put in a random draw lottery, which decides admissions. So I could have perfect PSSAs, straight A’s, and never miss a day of school, that only gets me in the pool at Central, I’m still subject to the lottery and not guaranteed a seat. This is true applying for any out of catchment school as well (George Washington is a school with a geographic area it draws from - I can apply there from anywhere in the city, but I have to get lotteried in). The lottery is central office controlled, schools have no part of it.

The difference (to me) is that they are not selecting their student body, it gets randomly assigned to them. That’s also one of the reasons you’ll never see a great public league football team from a traditional Philly public school - there is no possible way to have any program continuity or feeders.

 

[tulla]

To answer your question on Philly public schools and the open enrollment question - I feel strongly that they would compete as boundary schools.

Yes, if I live in Philadelphia, I am eligible to apply to any of the schools in the city. But those schools don’t have admissions departments, nor can they select their students. They set admission criteria (minimums for grades, PSSA scores, attendance). Every student who applies to a school who meets the criteria gets put in a random draw lottery, which decides admissions. So I could have perfect PSSAs, straight A’s, and never miss a day of school, that only gets me in the pool at Central, I’m still subject to the lottery and not guaranteed a seat. This is true applying for any out of catchment school as well (George Washington is a school with a geographic area it draws from - I can apply there from anywhere in the city, but I have to get lotteried in). The lottery is central office controlled, schools have no part of it.

The difference (to me) is that they are not selecting their student body, it gets randomly assigned to them. That’s also one of the reasons you’ll never see a great public league football team from a traditional Philly public school - there is no possible way to have any program continuity or feeders.

I don't think it works that way at IMHOTEP. What about other charters?

 

[RoverNation05]

Nope, charters have admissions. Different beast, I’d put them in a non-boundary division.

That’s the admissions policy for SDP schools.

 

[Stalker]

It’s really not funny. If you want a laugh look at these numbers. It’s time to change leadership

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NA. You need to have a higher interest level and fan base at the local level (Friday nights) to improve those numbers. And we all know the things that have damaged interest over the years. That's a big repair job. It's hard getting it back once lost. Harrisburg vs Bishop McDevitt or Steelton Highspire use to draw 8000-10000. Maybe 2000-3000 now.
You couldn't get in a John Harris High game 62-67 going 58-4.

Even in places where football is popular like Florida, the numbers are not overwhelming. 2022 was a record year (recent) with 38306 attending 9 finals games. That's 4256 average and doesn't show the higher number that often attend the large school classes like STA vs Lakeland that might draw 7000-8000. And you always wonder how much people inflate these numbers.
Will say they pick better venues. DNV-PNK in Lauderdale and Florida AM in Tallahassee the last two years. This year's 7 games as they return to the old playoff format, dropping the absurd Metro, Suburban, Rural groupings will be at FIU in Miami (South Dade).

 

[tulla]

NA. You need to have a higher interest level and fan base at the local level (Friday nights) to improve those numbers. And we all know the things that have damaged interest over the years. That's a big repair job. It's hard getting it back once lost. Harrisburg vs Bishop McDevitt or Steelton Highspire use to draw 8000-10000. Maybe 2000-3000 now.
You couldn't get in a John Harris High game 62-67 going 58-4.

Even in places where football is popular like Florida, the numbers are not overwhelming. 2022 was a record year (recent) with 38306 attending 9 finals games. That's 4256 average and doesn't show the higher number that often attend the large school classes like STA vs Lakeland that might draw 7000-8000. And you always wonder how much people inflate these numbers.
Will say they pick better venues. DNV-PNK in Lauderdale and Florida AM in Tallahassee the last two years. This year's 7 games as they return to the old playoff format, dropping the absurd Metro, Suburban, Rural groupings will be at FIU in Miami (South Dade).

I agree there are lots of factors at play, as Sammy's post suggests: not just fewer people living in different parts of the state but the changing demographic profile of the kids who play hs football, the reduction in the proportion of hs boys who choose to "try out" for football (SJP didn't have a soccer team when I was there), the impact of various technologies--who would have understood what it means to "stream" a game thirty years ago and who could have imagined all the other things available on all the devices we carry around with us or sit in front of at home: practically any movie ever made, games, pornography galore?--changing work patterns and practices, e.g. fewer parents having the whole weekend off work, etc.

 

[Stalker]

I agree there are lots of factors at play, as Sammy's post suggests: not just fewer people living in different parts of the state but the changing demographic profile of the kids who play hs football, the reduction in the proportion of hs boys who choose to "try out" for football (SJP didn't have a soccer team when I was there), the impact of various technologies--who would have understood what it means to "stream" a game thirty years ago and who could have imagined all the other things available on all the devices we carry around with us or sit in front of at home: practically any movie ever made, games, pornography galore?--changing work patterns and practices, e.g. fewer parents having the whole weekend off work, etc.

And at some point people just move on with high school football WELL in the rearview mirror. A great many of us simply move from the area or just don't care anymore! Kids, a job and life that has opened other venues and necessities takes center stage. The PIAA or any scholastic football governing body cannot impact that.
Bottom line, high school football attendance is up against some pretty stiff competition!

 

[northalleghenytiger]

Yes there are other factors into why games aren’t as populated as they were in the past. But im telling you that a North Allegheny scrimmage had more people watching than the 6A state title. 1400 people is complete lunacy and it shows that the higher-ups don’t care in the slightest.

There are many things I’d do right away if I had full control of PIAA

1. No state championships on Thursday. This seems like a no brainer for me. Perhaps 3 on Friday and 3 on Saturday

2. No High-school venue for state title. Go back to Hershey, or bucknell seems pretty cool. Make it a destination

3. Re-imagine the classifications. Someone
here mentioned 4 class for boundary schools and 2 for no boundary’s. I’d have to look into all the schools more but that seems better than what we have now. I’d guarantee that would have far better attendance than the last few years

 

[2020sports]

Yes there are other factors into why games aren’t as populated as they were in the past. But im telling you that a North Allegheny scrimmage had more people watching than the 6A state title. 1400 people is complete lunacy and it shows that the higher-ups don’t care in the slightest.

There are many things I’d do right away if I had full control of PIAA

1. No state championships on Thursday. This seems like a no brainer for me. Perhaps 3 on Friday and 3 on Saturday

2. No High-school venue for state title. Go back to Hershey, or bucknell seems pretty cool. Make it a destination

3. Re-imagine the classifications. Someone
here mentioned 4 class for boundary schools and 2 for no boundary’s. I’d have to look into all the schools more but that seems better than what we have now. I’d guarantee that would have far better attendance than the last few year

People go to scrimmages because the weather is warm and the game and is 3 miles from their house- oh and free- not a good example.

I agree w your other comments- but sadly, not enough people really care- 95% of average parents across the state, have no hope or interest of playing in the state playoffs- and prob even 90% of school leadership is uninterested in making "state playoffs better." I have lived, heard, and experienced enough to know, that lots of school leaders, for football in particular- it's viewed as a "hassle or a burden."

But- yes- we could make the location and venues better. and here is another viewpoint- I have been to many championship games in the last 10 years, and the "gameday experience" is piss-poor. The PIAA could provide better travel info, better parking info, provide individual game day programs, with better and more fun info for each team. It is pretty clear, that most of this stuff is made "streamlined" and easier for the gameday workers- but making it "streamlined" makes it like, non-existent!!

Oh- and here is another thought- how about having more consistent and reliable playoff sites?? Maybe if more people went to state playoff games, more would go to the finals!?

 

[new2pa]

Is there an online version of the SJP/PCC game?

 

[BradlyPitt]

To cheat you have to break a rule. What PIAA rule has SJP broken? You can say it's unfair, and you can say the rules should be changed, but you can't say PCL schools are cheating unless you can point to their breaking a rule.

getting transfers from everywhere is how they cheat

this time last year i think you were saying they needed a new qb, now they have a kid with offers from Pitt and Penn State and many others too, how many other schools can do that????????

you cheat and the piaa turns a blind eye

 

[BradlyPitt]

That’s just Brad. He thinks any school that wins are cheating.

I can prove that most of them do cheat

name the perennial powerhouse and i can give you plenty of examples of them getting unfair advatages

pick one and i'll tell you

 

[Stalker]

NA and 2020. What's the issue with Cumberland Valley High as a state playoff site? It's fully renovated stadium, press box, new field-lights, etc. Holds 5000 plus, 10 miles from the pike (Camp Hill). Have you seen it? It's a beautiful venue. Just curious.
NA, the competition for the playoff site was put up for bid meaning all the others....Herco, State College, etc lost. The PIAA is out to make a buck not spend them so I think it's unlikely it would ever be at a Heinz Field-Villanova level facility. Also feel they'll always keep it centrally located.
I've heard people mention State College which is smaller (4000) and not near as nice as CV's facility. Check them out online.

 

[BradlyPitt]

OK guys just look at the map of PA and look over the past 20 years the decline of population in PA. All of Western PA even Allegheny county is down. Also outside of Allegheny county other than Aliquippa who really wins in football constantly?? Belle Vernon, maybe. Back in the day you had the Mon River Valley packed with great teams. Starting around Brownsvile all the way up to Steel Valley. Ringold, Monesson, Charleroi, Beth Center,Elizabeth Forward. None of those teams are even close to what they once were. Wash High used to be a state power now they are not even in the top 5 in the WPIAL. The football is not as good or as deep as it once was and that trend will continue. And if you expand out of the WPIAL do we remember schools like Tyrone, or Sharon, Farrell, Greater Johnstown, ect ect. None of those schools are even a threat for a PIAA title. Will you have that "year" when you have "that team" where things line up yes but those will become fewer and further between. Also if you look how many people have moved out that their kids played sports in other places. As a poster put on here a few years ago all of the Hunkies and their sons are gone. You guys know me and you all know I am a WPIAL guy and always will be I hope that I am wrong.

this past decade has been a golden age for Steel Valley, lots of wpial titles and and one of the most dominant teams ever in 2016

Farrell too

Elizabeth Forward has benefited greatly playing in a lower class, they are a regular in the semifinals

the other schools you mentioned were never perennial powerhouses, maybe Wash High but not the rest

 

[BradlyPitt]

Is there an online version of the SJP/PCC game?

you can subscribe to PCN and get all the games from the past 2 years

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pcntv.com

 

[tulla]

getting transfers from everywhere is how they cheat

this time last year i think you were saying they needed a new qb, now they have a kid with offers from Pitt and Penn State and many others too, how many other schools can do that????????

you cheat and the piaa turns a blind eye

Wrong again. This time last year I said they would, obviously have to replace the vey good senior QB--Samaj Jones, which they did with Charlie Foulke who was at SJP as a freshman and who did very well this year as a sophomore.

And, no, they don't get players from "everywhere." They get them from within commuting distance of Philadelphia, which is where their students have always come from. OK to say that gives them an unfair advantage but it's not cheating.

Be wary of what "offers" mean and don't mean.

 

[BradlyPitt]

NA and 2020. What's the issue with Cumberland Valley High as a state playoff site?

it's a high school stadium

 

[BradlyPitt]

Wrong again. This time last year I said they would, obviously have to replace the vey good senior QB--Samaj Jones, which they did with Charlie Foulke who was at SJP as a freshman and who did very well this year as a sophomore.

And, no, they don't get players from "everywhere." They get them from within commuting distance of Philadelphia, which is where their students have always come from. OK to say that gives them an unfair advantage but it's not cheating.

Be wary of what "offers" mean and don't mean.

and what is a "commuting distance" for them? probably a much further distance than every public school