Down goes shake and bake
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As we've seen with obama and obamacare and all the other BS, that ain't good for you Bubba. But I'll pray for ya! Maybe you should move to Vermont. I hear that HS football is big there!
Yea Obama Care was suppose to be a job wrecker/ did not happen. Us sending help to Africa with the Ebola virus was going on would create a pandemic/did not happen. Bailing out the auto industry was going to kill the stock market/did not happen. Mitt Romney said that when he would become president gas would be at under $3 and the GDP would be ober 3%. Well Gas is under $2 here and the GDP is almost 4%. Yea you guys seem to be wrong a lot.
If only facts mattered! Obamacare is a disaster and they still haven't rolled out the bulk of it yet. Why did Hillary paint the same old picture in her speech last night, that a lady went broke because of healthcare costs virtually bankrupting her? I thought obamacare was going to take care of this issue!
Bailing out the auto industry wasn't going to kill the stock market; it's that GM was bailed out because of all the union jobs that were involved. If you think a bailout was so necessary, Ford got no bailout money and is doing very well today. Also, the bigger picture here, which has not been publicized but which will rear its ugly head in a few years, is all the bad auto loans that obama has pushed for, including 84-month terms, subprime making up too much of a percentage of overall auto sales, etc. A lot of used cars will come on the market in a few years and this will not be good for new car sales, and that could be a real drag on the economy. Again, a problem created by obama that another president will need to deal with. Do you see a pattern here Sammy.
Your almost-4% GDP growth statement speaks for your lack of knowledge about what is going on. Please post the GDP growth rate for the past 3-4-5 years and let's see if it is anywhere close to 4%. Hint: 2015 full-year GDP growth in 2015 was 2.4%. I guess this is "close enough" to 4%.
Sammy, NJ got you on some major points. Not saying all but when you say the GDP is up to 4%, sorry, not even close. Ford did not need a bailout and they are humming. Obama was going after the Union's votes The stock market has been flat lining for almost a year. Granted it's way above where it was but I would guess that has more to do with the economy itself than anything either party has done. Gas prices? That is driven purely by Saudi Arabia. They're trying to corner the market and put everyone else out of business. The most recent numbers just came out and there are over 100,000 jobs lost in the energy sector. And he is right about Obamacare. If it was such a big success then why isn't Clinton embracing it in her speeches. Instead she's telling you how she'll revamp it. I'm not saying the Repubs have all or any answers but take the rose colored glasses off and see the US for what it is. I really should run next election cycle!!
Thanks for the support, Paul. In Sammy's case, ignorance is truly bliss!
A couple minor points: the market is way higher under Incapable, but this is because it's cyclical and he took over near the trough; also money printing had a lot of impact, much of it artificial. The market was headed for a bear phase in 2013 until the money spigot was turned on.
Where is the post of the GDP numbers, Sammy? Just post the last three full years. Then compare the numbers to your 4% statement. Even you will get a good laugh.
So the stock market clicking around 18000 unemployment being down, and don't give me this all the people who have stopped looking for work crap, the fact that tons of people now have health care, and the GDP is up from 2010 no matter how you slice it, so if these are all bad things the sky is truly falling. Thanks for telling me this chicken little. The fact that in 2008 the GDP was in the negative and now it is not. So nice try again your boy GW really left a bad mess and did Obama fix it nope but it is better
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Where is this GDP number you keep talking about Sam? It is a fact that people have stopped looking for work. I didn't make that up like your GDP number. Tons of people have healthcare? That's great and with the subsidies the gov't is paying out, I guess we'll go farther into debt. Where is his energy policy? 8 years and we're no closer to being energy independent. Saudi Arabia is still f@ckin' with us Look I've said it before, "MY BOY BUSH" as you call him was a bust. But if your trying to tell me Obama is any better, with the deficit, with the middle east, with muslim extremists, with racial division, with the Iran deal, I think you really don't know what you're talking about. The racial division under him is the most telling thing about his leadership. And you're all excited about 4 years of Hillary? I should run during the next election cycle!!
Just another point Sammy. If Obama is doing so great with ALL of his policies, how is it that Hillary is running away from those policies like a frightened rabbit. "People are barely getting by! Wages are stagnant and people are frustrated looking for work" Her words not mine. "We will overhall Obamacare!!" Her words not mine. Geez with all of his success as you say, she would normally stay the course, right? She should ride into the Whitehouse on his lengthy coat tails. And I looked up the GDP number for you. It's 2.4, not your stated number of 4. You're welcome!!
This will certainly be in vein, but the great recession was clearly the ten-year unwind of the housing bubble created by Bill Clinton, but I know that you don't understand cycles longer than a month or so.
And, your timing could not be worse, as first-quarter GDP was announced today at 0.5%. I guess that's close enough to the 4% that you mentioned yesterday. Maybe you should have waited a day to make that claim.
And finally, it's how obama grew the economy and the stock market - with huge amounts of debt and an easy money policy that has benefited the so-called rich and not the everyday man and woman. The debt equates to one of your football players potentially taking steroids; he is praised for adding 30 lbs. of muscle when the reality is that he cheated. The unwind for this player comes later in terms of the bad effects of steroids; likewise, the same for the economy with the debt unwind.
The real picture, Sammy, is that you're still pissed off in spite of having the guy you voted for in the White House for 7+ years. This is the real problem!
In 2008 the GDP was -.4 so what is that and increase of 6 times the amount. I do not know one person who has stopped looking for work that is the biggest bunch of crap I have ever heard, and Fox news crazy jargon. And the reason Saudi Arabia is doing what they are doing is because we are buying less oil from them because we are less dependent on foreign oil, and the fact that China has a slowing economy. I never said Obama was a good president, check the posts but Clinton is a better choice than Cruz or Trump sorry to say but sit back relax have a drink and I will enjoy the extreme right melting down on a regular basis. And now you blame Bill Clinton HAHAHAHAHAHA http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...2009-us-has-created-more-jobs-every-other-ad/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/dandiam...day-u-s-has-gained-9-2-million-jobs-since-eco http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/10/15/1014641/manufacturing-jobs-democrats/ http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-adds-217-000-jobs-unemployment-rate-steady-at-6-3-1402058042
http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhar...-reagan-on-jobs-growth-and-investing/#2d1dc95 http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/02/05/manufacturing-employment-hits-7-year-high-fox-c/208410
http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhar...-reagan-on-jobs-growth-and-investing/#2d1dc95 http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/02/05/manufacturing-employment-hits-7-year-high-fox-c/208410
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The GDP numbers have not been good since 2000 the best years in the past 15 years the best were 2003 4.36% 2004 3.12%, 2005 3.03%, 2013 2.45% and 2015 2.47%. With the worst years being 2008 -2.77% and 2009 -0.24%. So going from -2.77 to almost 2.5 is pretty good and this century we have never really had a great GDP. So I was off about the 4% thing but the US has only seen 4% GDP once in 16 years the rest has been between 2-3% but it has increased from -2.77% since 2008 so in 8 years the GDP has grown 4%
I don't read any of the links that you list because I think this board is all about posters explaining their positions; an occasional link to prove a point is understandable, but the idea of linking without explaining is lost on me.
And it's a well understood fact that Clinton created the housing bubble that blew up in 2006-2007. But your media is not going to communicate this, so it's completely understandable that you would be ignorant of it. And you live in the world of immediate cause and effect, so your lack of understanding of five-year or ten-year cycles is also completely understandable.
And you're still pissed off!
The best years in the last 16 for the GDP, by your own numbers, were during Bush's term. So what are you saying Sam? Could that crash of the GDP have something to do with the market crash and the banks failing? Most definitely. I know it's Hollywood, but go watch the Big Short. NJ is spot on with the Clinton Housing Bubble comment. It had everything to do with the crash!!
And the worst years were influence by.......wait for it............the crash. The worst year of all was 2009, Obama's first year. Now I know his first year was influenced by Bush's years. You will agree with that. So why is it so tough to understand that the crash, during Bush's years, was influenced by Clinton and his housing policy?
Sammy lives in a "here and now" world with no understanding of cause and effect. Much of what he says is just for effect, but that underlying fact is very apparent.
Why is it so hard to understand that Clinton's push for the banks to be more open with their money, giving people mortgages that they could not service, was a huge reason for the crash? I mean it's practically staring you in the face. Clinton was wrong. Not everyone deserves a house. Everyone has a right to own a house but unless you can afford it, sorry. I really don't understand how you can't see that. Sammy, what caused the housing bubble? Simple question.
Under Clinton financial times were great oh wait that was because of Reagan right. Times were bad under Bush II so that was Clinton's fault and Obama has destroyed the USA and Bush II had zero to do with any of the Recession. Got it, talk about drinking the Kool aid
Sammy, I have said time and time again, Bush sucked. Got us into the War with Iraq and a bill that's still tough to pay. But if you really want a history lesson, travel back with me to Bush 1. At the end of his term, the economy was coming back fast. Check the numbers. Clinton kept it going but it started during Bush's last year. Obama brought the economy back? Bullsh!t. The Federal Reserve started printing free money with no rates. If Obama saved the economy, where's the deficit right now? Come on Sam, you're a teacher, you should know this stuff.
Again, what caused the Housing Bubble? Simple question.
Again, what caused the Housing Bubble? Simple question.
As I've told you many times, Sammy, my life is great. But I meet a lot of liberals/democrats/socialists who are perpetually unhappy. I can't figure out why!
NJ depends on where they live, here in little ole NC the Republicant's run the show and it is a sh!t show, so maybe they live in states where Republicans are in charge.And PFP as a teacher all i know is how much has been cut from education by the republicans in NC and that they changed the tax code instead of just raising taxes ect. ect. ect. Just look at the heat NC is taking, no way I want that on a National level
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Some questions:
1. So, why are so many people moving to NC from liberal PA, NJ, NY, MA, VT, etc?
2. What is Hillary going to do to make your life better?
3. Can you explain what happened in NC with the bathroom issue? I haven't met one liberal who understands the situation; they just think that NC hates gays (a simpleton argument).
So to answer your questions
1. Mainly weather, you might shovel snow 2 times a year at most here. Great beaches and MTNS, a ton to do with great vineyards and micro brews. Some of the most beautiful places I have seen are here in NC. Then you have isolated areas of reason such as Raleigh, Charlotte, Wilmington, Asheville where people have progressive ideas. Funny thing is that is where some of our better schools are HMMMM
2. Not destroy pubic education. States like PA, MD, MASS, RI, OH are so much better than here, wonder why
3. It was a joke of a vote by our Elected officials. There is so many other issues that need addressed and they make a big who to do over something that is non issue kind of like the voter ID law, a non issue. Charlotte said that they would allow transgender people to use the bathroom of their new gender, the General assembly and the Governor stepped in and over turned it. And this here is the bible belt so being gay is not a good thing here
1. Mainly weather, you might shovel snow 2 times a year at most here. Great beaches and MTNS, a ton to do with great vineyards and micro brews. Some of the most beautiful places I have seen are here in NC. Then you have isolated areas of reason such as Raleigh, Charlotte, Wilmington, Asheville where people have progressive ideas. Funny thing is that is where some of our better schools are HMMMM
2. Not destroy pubic education. States like PA, MD, MASS, RI, OH are so much better than here, wonder why
3. It was a joke of a vote by our Elected officials. There is so many other issues that need addressed and they make a big who to do over something that is non issue kind of like the voter ID law, a non issue. Charlotte said that they would allow transgender people to use the bathroom of their new gender, the General assembly and the Governor stepped in and over turned it. And this here is the bible belt so being gay is not a good thing here
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I think lower taxes might have something to do with it, too, but you left that out.
No, the issue with Charlotte was that they issued a mandate to companies and public places, which they did not have the power to do, since NC is a state where cities and towns can not exceed the power granted to them by the state. The state simply took some of the power back. There is still an option to have transgender bathrooms, but it's not mandated by government. You clearly don't understand the issue even though you are located in NC. Now, if you had a 12-year-old daughter, would you want a 30-year-old guy in the same bathroom as her? I know the answer, but I also know that you would never admit it.
This is all just proving conservatives right when they correctly said last year that when the Supreme Court ruled in favor of gay marriage that it was just the beginning, instead of the end of the issue, as many people thought.
Lower taxes but that is off set by lower pay so WRONG try again
Also in that bill the republicans put in to where you could not sue the state if you were discriminated against WRONG again on your part
Yea republicans are about as correct as Fiorina was about seeing that video of planned parenthood abortion Keep drinking
Also in that bill the republicans put in to where you could not sue the state if you were discriminated against WRONG again on your part
Yea republicans are about as correct as Fiorina was about seeing that video of planned parenthood abortion Keep drinking
I don't think you understand the "lower pay" issue. I am talking about people like me who lived in a northern, liberal state (NJ in my case), who are able to move because they work out of their house and/or travel. The point is that we don't want to pay the state income tax (9% in NJ) and therefore migrate to a southern state. I have people in my neighborhood who came from all over the north (NJ, PA, NY, MA) to Florida to eliminate the state income tax.Lower taxes but that is off set by lower pay so WRONG try again
Also in that bill the republicans put in to where you could not sue the state if you were discriminated against WRONG again on your part
Yea republicans are about as correct as Fiorina was about seeing that video of planned parenthood abortion Keep drinking
For people who take a transfer to NC, they are usually keeping their pay about the same, so it would only increase the average state pay in NC.
That's all you have to say on the transgender issue? You know that the libs have a weak and misleading position here.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mark...-under-obama-health-law/ar-BBsmJh2?li=BBnbfcN
Hot off the presses. What were saying about Obamacare Sammy??
Hot off the presses. What were saying about Obamacare Sammy??