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In the day and age of everyone gets a trophy, All Catholic has become a little less of an honor.
I am curious to see how the Red Division All Catholic voting turns out.
Is voting decided solely on league play alone or are the non league games factored into the equation?
I am interested to hear from some posters on here with PCL knowledge..
 
Wr positon would be tough.
Greene ,SJP
Gies, FJ
Haynes, Roman
Webb, Wood
Holland, Lasalle


Holland may be the odd man out. Greene and Gies would make 1st team IMO. Haynes and Webb to the 2nd team.
 
RCH13co18 said:
Wr positon would be tough.
Greene ,SJP
Gies, FJ
Haynes, Roman
Webb, Wood
Holland, Lasalle


Holland may be the odd man out. Greene and Gies would make 1st team IMO. Haynes and Webb to the 2nd team.
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Are you going off of the entire season or just league play?
 
RCH13co18 said:
I was basing that off the entire season. My selections would probably change a little.


Do you select Swift this year with limited playing time at RB?
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Good question. I mean he put in a whole seasons worth of scoring and total yards in the LaSalle game alone last weekend.
 
Why wouldn't have Honick in there from Carroll? Kid has only thrown for 1600+ yards and almost 600 vs LaSalle,Prep, Wood combined. Who cares if his team hasn't won a game, he has had a great season individually and this is what All Catholic is right? Individual honors?

He leads the PCL is Yards, Avg Per game, Completions, Attempts. Imagine him on a good team....
 
TDjones22 said:
Why wouldn't have Honick in there from Carroll? Kid has only thrown for 1600+ yards and almost 600 vs LaSalle,Prep, Wood combined. Who cares if his team hasn't won a game, he has had a great season individually and this is what All Catholic is right? Individual honors?

He leads the PCL is Yards, Avg Per game, Completions, Attempts. Imagine him on a good team....
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I like that kid, he's Doug Flutie!
 
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As for WR, Greene shouldn't be in there he has 22 catches all year. Haynes 36, Holland 35 (13 vs Judge), Gies 33, Bristow 31. Webb is totally overrated.... 1 catch vs Prep, he's average 2 catches a game for god sake. Who knows who they will vote for. My guess its going to be Greene/Webb 1st team which is wrong.
 
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Madden would definitely be a lock at Rb. Where would you go next?
Swift ? Or his back up?
Blackshear (or he would be labeled an athlete)
Gaymon
Ryan's rb
 
RCH13co18 said:
Madden would definitely be a lock at Rb. Where would you go next?
Swift ? Or his back up?
Blackshear (or he would be labeled an athlete)
Gaymon
Ryan's rb
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First Team I'd go Waller, Madden, Thompson
Second Team Blackshear, Gaymon, McNeal
1st team athlete: Swift
 
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I don't believe there is a set format on how coaches vote. My sense is that a lot of guys lean heavily to how players perform against their team. Unless, a kid is a well known name. Personally, I think stats & performance for the entire season should be considered. I also think that they shouldn't have the actual vote until the entire season ends in December, but that's just me.
 
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Especially, given that all seven teams in the Red Division will play at least one playoff game against another Red Divison team, it seems a little ridiculous to decide who the All-Catholics are based just on the regular season.
 
@TDjones22 .... you stated that Webb is overrated and that he only had one catch in the Saint Joe's prep game if you know any coaches or staff over at Saint Joe's you would know that they predicated their whole game on stopping him and no one else and it worked, the qb didn't want to throw into double and triple coverage, also they have a young qb this year not an Elite 11 like Russo, so that's why he had only one catch and apparently you're a smarter coach then Alabama Georgia North Carolina Wisconsin etc.
 
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tulla said:
Especially, given that all seven teams in the Red Division will play at least one playoff game against another Red Divison team, it seems a little ridiculous to decide who the All-Catholics are based just on the regular season.
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So reward the kids who put up monster numbers while playing against inferior competition?
 
Mark is a great kid, and very talented, certainly deserving of his offers. Best of luck to him the rest of the season and at Georgia!!! I look forward to watching him play between the hedges!!
 
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I'm amazed at how someone could say that Webb is overrated when Nike The Opening and Rivals 5Star Challenge thought he was pretty good, he's going to get his third state championship ring out of four years, rivals thinks he's the number 1receiver in the state along with some other ranking agencies. Sorry but he can't throw the ball to himself...lol
 
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So reward the kids who put up monster numbers while playing against inferior competition?
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All I was saying is that it seems better to wait until the teams have played all their games (which, it seems, for every team in the PCL except N-G, will include at least one playoff game) before making all-Catholic selections. I understand this might seem to give an advantage to the players whose teams make it beyond week one of the playoffs, but it would help to see how players do when the stakes are a bit higher and it also would give a bit more exposure to kids who were hurt for some RS games--and I'm not thinking of Swift in particular but players on all the teams who missed a couple of games because of an injury.
 
CYOBALL1 said:
So reward the kids who put up monster numbers while playing against inferior competition?
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I look at it more like rewarding kids for their entire season. That would include early N-L games, meaningful playoff games, and in some cases meaningful state playoff games.

Heck, before this season the pcl 4A teams played 3 RS league games.
 
UptownVike said:
I'm amazed at how someone could say that Webb is overrated when Nike The Opening and Rivals 5Star Challenge thought he was pretty good, he's going to get his third state championship ring out of four years, rivals thinks he's the number 1receiver in the state along with some other ranking agencies. Sorry but he can't throw the ball to himself...lol
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All that to be true. Those camps are popularity contest to say the least. Has nothing to do with overall numbers or skill set. Webb deserves everything he receives. Is he the best wr in the state ? No. Should he be All -Catholic? No. Having a young QB is to blame but stats are stats. He'll probably make it bc of his name.
 
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I never said Webb wasn't a great kid, i am sure he is. All i said is hes over rated.I see his stats and seen him play numerous times an he doesn't impress me one bit. 2,8,1,3,4,2,2,1 catches in games this year, I get prep locked him down but did Upper Darby as well? only had 1 more catch 3 other times.If you a ELITE WR you find a way to get the ball or get open, i don't think he's better then Johns from NP, i don't even think he's better then Haynes from Roman.. He might be a great player at the next level who knows, but i don't see it. When i think back at recent ELITE WR's i think Fuller and Webb is nowhere even close to where he was in HS. I hope i am wrong an the kid turns out to be good. but again i'll say i don't see it. But who am i....... Also 22 catches in 9 games last season with Russo that's 2 catches a game once again.
 
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Again, you state that stats are stats, if he was a good receiver u would find a way to get him the ball, doesn't that fall on the coach (you wannabe genius)....now Nike & Rivals are popularity contests because the players u place in front of him aren't worthy of making it against the best in the Country....which your players are not, also you mentioned 22 catches with Russo.... if you did your homework u would know that he only played 2 quarters because of running clock, he was also out the last 3 or 4 games of the season but again we're comparing the wits of you against 23 + D1 COACHES..... so I shouldn't expect you to understand LOL
 
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Since you're so knowledgeable & know people...ask those players that you put ahead of him what they think, also ask any coach that has played against him this year, sounds like u r going of of jealousy, because technology Webb is RANKED higher than Fuller...nothing against him because I'm a fan of his and WEBB use to work out with him and knows him well
 
TDjones22 said:
As for WR, Greene shouldn't be in there he has 22 catches all year. Haynes 36, Holland 35 (13 vs Judge), Gies 33, Bristow 31. Webb is totally overrated.... 1 catch vs Prep, he's average 2 catches a game for god sake. Who knows who they will vote for. My guess its going to be Greene/Webb 1st team which is wrong.
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About Greene: Ii don't think it's right to look just at the number of receptions but at the yardage gained and at the context of the receptions--the difference they made to the outcome of the game when they were made. Greene made huge receptions against Bosco, Wood, Roman, and Judge--but no receptions at all against Carroll. He also made three against LaSalle. The one against Wood was a backbreaker, and against Roman (where the Prep run offense was really struggling) his long receptions made the difference.
 
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UptownVike said:
Again, you state that stats are stats, if he was a good receiver u would find a way to get him the ball, doesn't that fall on the coach (you wannabe genius)....now Nike & Rivals are popularity contests because the players u place in front of him aren't worthy of making it against the best in the Country....which your players are not, also you mentioned 22 catches with Russo.... if you did your homework u would know that he only played 2 quarters because of running clock, he was also out the last 3 or 4 games of the season but again we're comparing the wits of you against 23 + D1 COACHES..... so I shouldn't expect you to understand LOL
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Those camps are popularity contest. Most times the players are selected prior to the camp based off of offers and buzz. Has nothing to do with actual skillset or work at the camp.

TDJones22:
Could you give me the numbers on Simmons SJP and Holland Lasalle?
 
tulla said:
About Greene: Ii don't think it's right to look just at the number of receptions but at the yardage gained and at the context of the receptions--the difference they made to the outcome of the game when they were made. Greene made huge receptions against Bosco, Wood, Roman, and Judge--but no receptions at all against Carroll. He also made three against LaSalle. The one against Wood was a backbreaker, and against Roman (where the Prep run offense was really struggling) his long receptions made the difference.
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Greene is the best wr in this class. I'm not a scout, but I've seen them all next to each other during workouts and summer 7 on 7 Greene outshined them all. I don't know why his recruitment isn't publicized.
 
What's funny is when it's all said and done ✅ WEBB will have 3 STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS and will be starting WR in the SEC ......put some stats on that
 
UptownVike said:
What's funny is when it's all said and done ✅ WEBB will have 3 STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS and will be starting WR in the SEC ......put some stats on that
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We wish him the best at the next level and I hope he does get another chip. These are just our opinions. I think him and Simmons are overrated and the numbers will show they aren't that productive. Maybe it's the size and speed. They both pass the eye test and have great measurable.
 
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Only time will tell. It's obvious your bias towards Wood hence (VIKE) I have my opinion of him just like you do. My opinion is an we can look back on this, an my opinion is that he wont be much of an impact at Georgia, i don't even think he finishes there.....
 
RCH13co18 said:
Those camps are popularity contest. Most times the players are selected prior to the camp based off of offers and buzz. Has nothing to do with actual skillset or work at the camp.

TDJones22:
Could you give me the numbers on Simmons SJP and Holland Lasalle?
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Holland 35-476, missed the last game
Simmons 16-221
 
Ok, I hear you, but u guys are going off of #'s and I'm going off of Scouts, D1 College Coaches, Opposing Coaches i.e. Gabe at St Joe's,plus I know most the WR personally that u mentioned, that's all, sry if I came at u guys wrong
 
UptownVike said:
Ok, I hear you, but u guys are going off of #'s and I'm going off of Scouts, D1 College Coaches, Opposing Coaches i.e. Gabe at St Joe's,plus I know most the WR personally that u mentioned, that's all, sry if I came at u guys wrong
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It's cool I like that we can debate. No love lost. Scouts and programs get it wrong also.......just like we could be wrong. I still think all the guys mentioned are good. On the next level I wish them the best.
 
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It's all good it makes my work day go faster :) . Webb has great size an potential that's where his Offers an Combine reports come in. I seen him play for 3 years now, some guys like Swift your like WOW, for me Webb doesn't have the WOW factor that's all. Like remember DJ Moore from TEP now at Maryland, he had that WOW factor.
 
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TDjones22 said:
It's all good it makes my work day go faster :) . Webb has great size an potential that's where his Offers an Combine reports come in. I seen him play for 3 years now, some guys like Swift your like WOW, for me Webb doesn't have the WOW factor that's all. Like remember DJ Moore from TEP now at Maryland, he had that WOW factor.
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True I got to see DJ in 2 games at Tep and you seen he was on another level. One was against ECA when he went against then Michigan commit at CB and did well. The other was against wood in a game they loss, but every time he touched the ball he was scoring or pretty close.
 
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What I agree on is that Greene is underrated and under recruited, but a lot can happen from now till end of season and year. And I agree Webb is way underutilized. Maybe it is young qb, and most of it is the offense. I would throw him slants and hitches until they put 5 kids out there to stop him, but Wood operates on a different scheme, and they have the championships to back it up.
I also say lets wait until the playoffs are over to pick all catholics. Webb comes out this weekend vs. lasalle and makes the impact everyone has a different opinion. Especially this year when you will have as close to real all PCL as you will have had in years. 4 teams to pick from....JOKE. In the past we have had 2 way first team all-catholics. Do you know how good you traditionally had to be to be first team going both ways in a real league? Be interested to see who gets reality check this year.
 
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