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paul from philly said:
........to chew on. Remember back when the dems on the board were laughing their way through life at all the problems that the Tea Party was causing for a crumbling republican party. Well join in the fun boys because the Jeannie is out of the bottle!!!

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/201...ook-seize-democratic-party-initiative-n686531
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It's a party in chaos. Crazy Bernie would not be a great candidate at the age of 78 in 2020 and he wouldn't have won in 2016 either.

But facts don't matter to these uneducated bunch of nuts. They don't operate on logic; they operate on emotion. When liberals are out of power, they get really nuts. The next four years are going to be fun to watch, both for all of the Trump initiatives as well as the liberal reaction. Heck, it's already been great to watch the crying rants by these emotionally unstable, maladjusted idiots.

In reality, it's amazing that 20-25% of these nuts back a socialist candidate at a time when socialism is failing around the world. The fringe should be more like 10%, at best, but it's a sign of the times. If they would be honest, they would explain how disappointed they are with Incapabama. But that would be racist.
 
You think Drumpf is of the Tea Party? I wonder how his fans are enjoying his plan for his first 100 days? No repeal of Obamacare. No wall. No investigation of the Clintons. No deportation squad.
 
reluctant_to_comment said:
You think Drumpf is of the Tea Party? I wonder how his fans are enjoying his plan for his first 100 days? No repeal of Obamacare. No wall. No investigation of the Clintons. No deportation squad.
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Never said Trump was a Tea Party guy! just making a comment about how the Berniacs are going to muddy the waters for the Democrats just as the Tea Party muddies the waters for the republicans. And don't tell me you're upset with his about faces. It turns out he's your guy!!
 
No, I just think it's funny us libs knew he was a liberal all along and just said the racist crap his supporters wanted to hear. He always said Obamacare didn't go far enough. He wants Medicare for all. Or he just had no clue and no want to learn more about how hard it would actually be to do some of the crap he peddled.
 
reluctant_to_comment said:
No, I just think it's funny us libs knew he was a liberal all along and just said the racist crap his supporters wanted to hear. He always said Obamacare didn't go far enough. He wants Medicare for all. Or he just had no clue and no want to learn more about how hard it would actually be to do some of the crap he peddled.
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Oh so you knew all this was going to happen? You knew if he won he was gonna do a 180?! You're an absolute genius!! It's a shame you didn't tell Hillary not to run with all your insight! Now go march in a protest!
 
reluctant_to_comment said:
You think Drumpf is of the Tea Party? I wonder how his fans are enjoying his plan for his first 100 days? No repeal of Obamacare. No wall. No investigation of the Clintons. No deportation squad.
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I think most of us recognized that as mostly rhetoric, right? I voted for something more than simple change. I voted for an end of Obama's practices (eg Iran deal insanity), those espoused by Clinton and for the courts NOT veering farther to the revisionist left.
 
reluctant_to_comment said:
You think Drumpf is of the Tea Party? I wonder how his fans are enjoying his plan for his first 100 days? No repeal of Obamacare. No wall. No investigation of the Clintons. No deportation squad.
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But still a 50% paycut for you. Time to look for a part-time job!!!
 
reluctant_to_comment said:
No, I just think it's funny us libs knew he was a liberal all along and just said the racist crap his supporters wanted to hear. He always said Obamacare didn't go far enough. He wants Medicare for all. Or he just had no clue and no want to learn more about how hard it would actually be to do some of the crap he peddled.
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This response is called denial. It's the first of five stages of grief. Can't wait to see the other four stages develop on the board...anger, bargaining (I don't think liberals really know how to bargain; they protest and wreck things), depression, and acceptance (I don't think liberals know how to "accept" either).
 
paul from philly said:
Oh so you knew all this was going to happen? You knew if he won he was gonna do a 180?! You're an absolute genius!! It's a shame you didn't tell Hillary not to run with all your insight! Now go march in a protest!
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Paul, the entertainment doesn't get much better than this board. These guys forget what they said last week! No wonder they get their pay cut on a regular basis! First they told us that there was no way that Trump could win; now they tell us that he's a liberal. You absolutely cannot make it up any better!
 
paul from philly said:
You knew if he won he was gonna do a 180?!
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Who didn't? Did you really think he would build a wall and Mexico would pay for it? Did you really think he was going to bring back coal mining and steel work to PA? If you've heard Drump speak before a year ago, you would have heard him say he was pro-Abortion, pro-Affordable Care Act.

By the way, your candidate now says he won the popular vote even though he's behind by more than 2 million votes. He just says shit and some of you guys eat it up.
 
reluctant_to_comment said:
Who didn't? Did you really think he would build a wall and Mexico would pay for it? Did you really think he was going to bring back coal mining and steel work to PA? If you've heard Drump speak before a year ago, you would have heard him say he was pro-Abortion, pro-Affordable Care Act.

By the way, your candidate now says he won the popular vote even though he's behind by more than 2 million votes. He just says shit and some of you guys eat it up.
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If you knew all this stuff how is it you're not on CNN or MSNBC. Seems you understood Trump more than the pollsters!!
I don't know what I have to do to get it through your thick head that he is not and never was my candidate.
Oh and who is questioning the results of the election now. Hillary doesn't even have enough balls to do it herself. She's piggybacking on Stein. She's a real winner!!
 
Paul, we knew it was going to get good, but I didn't know it was going to get this good, this soon. To hear Paycut talk, he's mentioning things in past tense, yet Trump hasn't even taken office yet. As if his effort to bring coal mining back to PA has failed.....53 days before he has even taken office.

Libs like paycut are used to getting a trophy for coming in last place, so they don't really know how to handle this. The best is yet to come. Libs are even crazier when out of power; just sit back and be entertained! I've already had one liberal at our company tell me that he is going to like Trump's presidency more than I will!!
 
Ok serious question here and this is not a Democrat or Republican slant or jab. I was home over thanksgiving break and went to visit family of my wife(Oakland Maryland) and my family in Carmichaels Pennsylvania. After leaving I wondered what jobs are moving to those places that will employ enough people to where it will make a difference. Some in my family thinks coal is the answer and they could not be more wrong Some say manufacturing is the answer ok many businesses want incentives to move a plant or business into an area many want millions of dollars to do so. An Example of this was Honda Jet got millions from Guilford County in NC to move there, Guilford County has almost 600,000 residents and is not rural and has a big enough tax base to do so. Many small towns or rural counties can not afford that price tag and if that is the answer who is paying for those incentives?. So I ask how do you employ rural America????
 
sammyk said:
Ok serious question here and this is not a Democrat or Republican slant or jab. I was home over thanksgiving break and went to visit family of my wife(Oakland Maryland) and my family in Carmichaels Pennsylvania. After leaving I wondered what jobs are moving to those places that will employ enough people to where it will make a difference. Some in my family thinks coal is the answer and they could not be more wrong Some say manufacturing is the answer ok many businesses want incentives to move a plant or business into an area many want millions of dollars to do so. An Example of this was Honda Jet got millions from Guilford County in NC to move there, Guilford County has almost 600,000 residents and is not rural and has a big enough tax base to do so. Many small towns or rural counties can not afford that price tag and if that is the answer who is paying for those incentives?. So I ask how do you employ rural America????
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Let's first review what Incapabama has done over the past eight years. It will be a very quick conversation!

Second of all, do you know that Trump was on the phone with the CEO of Carrier Air on Thanksgiving Day, trying to work out details to keep some jobs in Indiana that Carrier wants to move to Mexico?

The short answer, Sammy, is that there are lots of ways to get this done: effort, relationships, lower tax cuts, less regulation, etc. Unfortunately, Incapabama didn't care; the new administration is going to put a lot of effort into this challenge. They won't win every battle and when they don't, the liberal media will pounce. That is a given. Let's review the results in 2-3 years.
 
So much for the non-slanted version. If business makes more money to move guess what the business moves. Now I was asking how do you employ small town America? Not just keeping jobs but creating them. So your answer of relationships, relationships will only go as far as $$$$$ goes. Tax cuts ok tax cuts that money will have to come from somewhere else then but we will see. Less regulation what type are you talking about?? Burning more coal, oil, gas. That is not going to happen unless the US back out it's agreement with the rest of the world and that may happen but what will that cost? Not saying any of this will not happen I was just asking how do you get 200-500-1000 jobs to places like Johnstown, Altoona, Allentown, Carmichaels, Aliquippa????
 
Those manufacturing jobs are gone. Drumpf has said it himself and thus the reason he doesn't make any of his products in the US. People waiting for coal or steel are going to be waiting a long time. Rural America has to be retrained and that's not going to happen. It's cheaper to have some 13 year old do something off shore than retrain an American worker who also needs health benefits. Companies don't care if it's not the same quality. Us lazy Americans want cheap.
 
sammyk said:
So much for the non-slanted version. If business makes more money to move guess what the business moves. Now I was asking how do you employ small town America? Not just keeping jobs but creating them. So your answer of relationships, relationships will only go as far as $$$$$ goes. Tax cuts ok tax cuts that money will have to come from somewhere else then but we will see. Less regulation what type are you talking about?? Burning more coal, oil, gas. That is not going to happen unless the US back out it's agreement with the rest of the world and that may happen but what will that cost? Not saying any of this will not happen I was just asking how do you get 200-500-1000 jobs to places like Johnstown, Altoona, Allentown, Carmichaels, Aliquippa????
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Let's ask the following questions first:
1. What did obama do over the past eight years? Whatever he did, we need to do something different.
2. What is Governor Wolf doing? And will he agree to work with Trump? Hopefully, the answer is yes, but Trump sets the overall tone, then a large part of it is up to the states to have pro-business policies.

Sammy, you don't seem to understand the benefit of having pro-business policies and how that creates jobs. As far as tax cuts, more money in the hands of private citizens means more spending. A lower tax on profits made overseas will have a benefit to the US economy, which feeds down as companies hopefully build more plants here and hire more people. Fracking and cheap natural gas are a compliment to manufacturing in terms of making raw material costs cheaper here than Europe, for example. That lower cost, combined with lower tax rates, can help business grow and expand, and hire more people. The growth can be dynamic, but it has to be managed because if it's too fast, interest rates can go up too high and make the cost of borrowing too high.

It seems that you don't understand the value of relationships in business; it's a big part of how things get done. Just curious, do you have any experience in business? It sounds like you probably don't.
 
reluctant_to_comment said:
Those manufacturing jobs are gone. Drumpf has said it himself and thus the reason he doesn't make any of his products in the US. People waiting for coal or steel are going to be waiting a long time. Rural America has to be retrained and that's not going to happen. It's cheaper to have some 13 year old do something off shore than retrain an American worker who also needs health benefits. Companies don't care if it's not the same quality. Us lazy Americans want cheap.
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Are we to believe anything you say based on your past statements? What level of expertise do you have that would allow you to look into your crystal ball to know that steel and coal-based jobs aren't returning. I am predicting a non-reply (forfeit on your position) or something really "educational".
 
1. Not,asking about Obama I am asking about Trump
2. Wolf has been there how long and what did the last Govenor of PA do ? And i don't know with all of this fracking going on Western PA should be doing better right. Cheap fracking that was given a Tax pass by the past Governor and what has 10 years have fracking done in Western PA? Made a few rich but Carmichaels, Aliquippa, Johnstown, Altoona still depressed


No need to belittle because now the attention shifts and I am asking legit questions and business relationships are based on $$$$$$ that I do know without more than ECON class at Cal U of PA. Sounds like it might be more money in the hands of the businesses and that is trickle down economics which does not work. Business is in the business of making money not jobs , I also learned that in ECON class. So just because I ask a legit question does not mean I am anti Trump I hope things work out it would be better for the country period
 
sammyk said:
1. Not,asking about Obama I am asking about Trump
2. Wolf has been there how long and what did the last Govenor of PA do ? And i don't know with all of this fracking going on Western PA should be doing better right. Cheap fracking that was given a Tax pass by the past Governor and what has 10 years have fracking done in Western PA? Made a few rich but Carmichaels, Aliquippa, Johnstown, Altoona still depressed


No need to belittle because now the attention shifts and I am asking legit questions and business relationships are based on $$$$$$ that I do know without more than ECON class at Cal U of PA. Sounds like it might be more money in the hands of the businesses and that is trickle down economics which does not work. Business is in the business of making money not jobs , I also learned that in ECON class. So just because I ask a legit question does not mean I am anti Trump I hope things work out it would be better for the country period
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You missed the point. We need a frame of reference of what was done in the past eight years; it's helpful to know what happened or what didn't happen. Also, the greater point is why this question was not asked of President Incapable (obama).

Wolf has been in office for 22 months. Is this not long enough to get things done? What are his major accomplishments so far?

A company does not create jobs just for the purpose of creating jobs; they need qualified people to help get things done. So, stoking business naturally leads to people getting hired. Having relationships and knowing how to get deals done are going to serve Trump well.

Explain to me, please, why trickle-down economics does not work.
 
Really why trickle down does not work ok we will revisit this in a few years I hope things work I really do for all of those in depressed places. But if they do not and trust me not rooting for that the country will have been victim of the biggest scam in US history. God I hope that does not happen. And back to your comment on jobs hiring qualified people this I agree with 100%. But do you know how many jobs are not filled because it takes skilled labor to do them so the best way is to get these people qualified is rev up the Community college system. Get people skilled to do these jobs because a factory job out of high school is a long gone dream
 
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sammyk said:
Really why trickle down does not work ok we will revisit this in a few years I hope things work I really do for all of those in depressed places. But if they do not and trust me not rooting for that the country will have been victim of the biggest scam in US history. God I hope that does not happen. And back to your comment on jobs hiring qualified people this I agree with 100%. But do you know how many jobs are not filled because it takes skilled labor to do them so the best way is to get these people qualified is rev up the Community college system. Get people skilled to do these jobs because a factory job out of high school is a long gone dream
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This is classic liberal BS. You mention that trickle-down doesn't work; I ask you to explain why it doesn't work, and you delay your answer for "a few years." Don't make a claim if you can't back it up.

Good points on community college. It's a valuable education, but we've got to get kids to select a major that will serve them well; and we've got to get the liberal, non-business bias out of education.

The biggest scam in US political history is having a president for eight years and having obamacare as his #1 accomplishment, only to have it fail miserably due to low enrollment and super high premium percentage increases. Now, tell me what he has done in eight years. What is his major accomplishment?
 
http://money.cnn.com/2015/06/15/news/economy/trickle-down-theory-wrong-imf/
http://www.faireconomy.org/trickle_down_economics_four_reasons
http://www.forbes.com/sites/georgel...-destructive-phrase-of-all-time/#1c7baaae2555
https://www.hks.harvard.edu/news-ev.../autumn-2009/trickle-down-economics-revisited

I know I should not trust everything I read on the internet (even though my new President does) and there are articles that will support trickle down economics. All I know is we had Trickle down economics for 10 years from 1980-1990 and Western PA is still depressed
 
sammyk said:
http://money.cnn.com/2015/06/15/news/economy/trickle-down-theory-wrong-imf/
http://www.faireconomy.org/trickle_down_economics_four_reasons
http://www.forbes.com/sites/georgel...-destructive-phrase-of-all-time/#1c7baaae2555
https://www.hks.harvard.edu/news-ev.../autumn-2009/trickle-down-economics-revisited

I know I should not trust everything I read on the internet (even though my new President does) and there are articles that will support trickle down economics. All I know is we had Trickle down economics for 10 years from 1980-1990 and Western PA is still depressed
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Studies by the International Monetary Fund are probably not to be taken seriously. This is the organization that wants to take over the world economy, and it might have happened had Lie-arry won. Good try, though.
 
Ok I see anything that is not in line should not be taken seriously ok got it even though there are multiple sources( Forbes, Harvard) . Like I said I HOPE things go well it would be great for the country the Republicans have the show right now Batter up because IF things do not happen or go the way Trump said they would there will be a lot to answer for
 
sammyk said:
Ok I see anything that is not in line should not be taken seriously ok got it even though there are multiple sources( Forbes, Harvard) . Like I said I HOPE things go well it would be great for the country the Republicans have the show right now Batter up because IF things do not happen or go the way Trump said they would there will be a lot to answer for
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The point of a discussion board is that people should probably be expected to discuss things, rather than link to websites. And just because it's Forbes and Harvard, it's one article from each; there are certainly professors at Harvard who have a view that would support mine. What good would it do to provide a link to that article?

So, let me see if I understand this correctly; Trump would have a lot to "answer for", but Incapabama does not?
 
So you first comment is correct things should be discussed rather than links on a website. I hope our new commander and chief can do that. . Now Obama is out he is gone in a few short weeks a new administration is upon us, with total Republican control. I am looking for a Wall(Not a fence), Clinton to be imprisoned, a slow down of Muslims entering the country, tons of new jobs(not saved ones). A replacement for Obama care, the destruction of ISIS, new roads, bridges and water pipes, Trumps businesses along with others to move to the US, the rebirth of the coal industry, steel industry, the biggest baddest military ever(psst it already is), a pullout of NATO, better trade deals with other countries the chance to use nukes, . Those are a few of his campaign promises. So lets see if it happens if so great that would be awesome better yet it would be more awesomer
 
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So you first comment is correct things should be discussed rather than links on a website. I hope our new commander and chief can do that. . Now Obama is out he is gone in a few short weeks a new administration is upon us, with total Republican control. I am looking for a Wall(Not a fence), Clinton to be imprisoned, a slow down of Muslims entering the country, tons of new jobs(not saved ones). A replacement for Obama care, the destruction of ISIS, new roads, bridges and water pipes, Trumps businesses along with others to move to the US, the rebirth of the coal industry, steel industry, the biggest baddest military ever(psst it already is), a pullout of NATO, better trade deals with other countries the chance to use nukes, . Those are a few of his campaign promises. So lets see if it happens if so great that would be awesome better yet it would be more awesomer
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You exaggerate some, but there is some validity to your statement. Trump must fulfill his campaign promises. However, with Obama winding down eight years, perhaps now is a very nice time to see if he "capably" fulfilled his campaign promises. I will let you take the first stab.....
 
Where is the exaggeration? Again Obama is out this is all about Trump and the Republican party now. Like I said batter up I want to see America great again. If he pulls it off hey great he is the man if not con artist plain and simple or maybe he will be just another politician but unlike many I am willing to see what happens
 
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Where is the exaggeration? Again Obama is out this is all about Trump and the Republican party now. Like I said batter up I want to see America great again. If he pulls it off hey great he is the man if not con artist plain and simple or maybe he will be just another politician but unlike many I am willing to see what happens
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So, you are incapable of reviewing President Incapable's campaign promises?
 
The light is on Trump now it is a new day and I if you look back I never was a big Obama supporter. Look that time has passed and there is video evidence of what Trump said so I say let's go President elect. Nice deflection tactic though and my original comment was how are we going to do these things, how are we going to employ rural America, not hey let's compare and contrast. We have a guy who has stated he will or would
Bring back coal
Bring back steel
Use Nukes
Put Clinton in prison
Build a beautiful wall between us and Mexico, oh and make them pay for it'
Break away from NATO
Said torture does work and would be for using it
Stop the flow of Muslims into the country
create jobs, "there will be so many jobs"
Destroy ISIS
Stop inner city crime
Rebuild our roads, bridges and water facilities
Get better trade deals

Now I did not make this up he said it no he promised we can go to the tape and review it. Obama is gone and now the light is on him. And I know just as Bush and his craziness hurt us so will Obama's but when you claim to be a rain maker you better make it rain. So what is your nickname for Trump if his stuff does not work???


If 1/3 of any of these things happen hey I will say he did it and be happy
 
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sammyk said:
The light is on Trump now it is a new day and I if you look back I never was a big Obama supporter. Look that time has passed and there is video evidence of what Trump said so I say let's go President elect. Nice deflection tactic though and my original comment was how are we going to do these things, how are we going to employ rural America, not hey let's compare and contrast. We have a guy who has stated he will or would
Bring back coal
Bring back steel
Use Nukes
Put Clinton in prison
Build a beautiful wall between us and Mexico, oh and make them pay for it'
Break away from NATO
Said torture does work and would be for using it
Stop the flow of Muslims into the country
create jobs, "there will be so many jobs"
Destroy ISIS
Stop inner city crime
Rebuild our roads, bridges and water facilities
Get better trade deals

Now I did not make this up he said it no he promised we can go to the tape and review it. Obama is gone and now the light is on him. And I know just as Bush and his craziness hurt us so will Obama's but when you claim to be a rain maker you better make it rain. So what is your nickname for Trump if his stuff does not work???


If 1/3 of any of these things happen hey I will say he did it and be happy
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I've always found it strange that we just can't bring "ourselves" to rate obama.

So, are you saying that you are in favor of all of those things?
 
Some of them yes. And to rate the presidents since I have been alive OK

#1A Reagan
#1B Clinton
#3 Ford
#4 Bush I
#5 Nixon
#6 Obama
#7 Bush II
#8 Carter
 
sammyk said:
Some of them yes. And to rate the presidents since I have been alive OK

#1A Reagan
#1B Clinton
#3 Ford
#4 Bush I
#5 Nixon
#6 Obama
#7 Bush II
#8 Carter
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Great exercise Sammy. A few differences in my list but here goes:

#1 Nixon (If not for his paranoia there would be monuments to him)
#2A Reagan (points for compromise)
#2B Clinton (points for compromise)
#3 Bush 1 (got a bum deal with that "No new taxes" quote and if not for Ross peirot you would never had heard of Clinton)
#4 Johnson (the Vietnam war crushed him but in his time he got a lot of stuff passed)
#5 Ford (dirty job but someone had to do it. Good soldier)
#6 Kennedy (didn't get anything done. Granted shortlived but Johnson got most of Kennedy's agenda passed in the first 6 months of his presidency)
#7 Obama (was handed a loaded deck)
#8 Bush 2 (he was thrown a curve ball that anyone would have a tough time hitting. 9/11)
#10 Carter (I think everyone agrees on this)
 
  • "If I become president, we're all going to be saying 'Merry Christmas' again." - even the non Christians?
  • Get rid of Common Core
  • The Environmental Protection Agency might also disappear.
  • Get rid of Obamacare and replace it with something "terrific" that is "so much better, so much better, so much better."
  • "I will take care of women, and I have great respect for women. I do cherish women, and I will take care of women."
  • Frequently use the term "radical Islamic terrorism."
  • Create a database of Syrian refugees.
  • Never take a vacation while serving as president.
  • Target and kill the relatives of terrorists.
  • Shut down parts of the Internet
  • Force Nabisco to once again make Oreos in the United States.
A few more!
 
reluctant_to_comment said:
  • "If I become president, we're all going to be saying 'Merry Christmas' again." - even the non Christians?
  • Get rid of Common Core
  • The Environmental Protection Agency might also disappear.
  • Get rid of Obamacare and replace it with something "terrific" that is "so much better, so much better, so much better."
  • "I will take care of women, and I have great respect for women. I do cherish women, and I will take care of women."
  • Frequently use the term "radical Islamic terrorism."
  • Create a database of Syrian refugees.
  • Never take a vacation while serving as president.
  • Target and kill the relatives of terrorists.
  • Shut down parts of the Internet
  • Force Nabisco to once again make Oreos in the United States.
A few more!
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Dear Mr. 20% Paycut,

Didn't you tell us yesterday that (and I quote directly) "us libs knew he was a lib all along"? Can't you even remember what you said 24 hours ago? Again, I do thank you for the entertainment, but you are endangering me by making me laugh too hard.
 
sammyk said:
Some of them yes. And to rate the presidents since I have been alive OK

#1A Reagan
#1B Clinton
#3 Ford
#4 Bush I
#5 Nixon
#6 Obama
#7 Bush II
#8 Carter
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Ford #3, I can't see how he can be #3, although maybe by default, as there were some pretty bad ones. I would disagree with Clinton, although I am sure I am in the minority. The Lewinsky scandal, lying under oath, the North Korean nuclear deal that still haunts us to this day, Clinton Housing Bubble, start of the stock market decline, lying, cheating, etc. And I would put Bush II above Obama, but Bush, Obama, Clinton are all disasters. Final comment: I am impressed that you put Reagan #1 Sammy. New respect for you!
 
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