SJP "Should" Win Gold Yearly

[Patesteel]

This should not be read as yet another complainer whining about boundary vs. non-boundary teams. St. Joe's Prep is not your ordinary non-boundary school. Most non-boundary schools get their athletes from an approximate 30 min radius within their state. SJP radius is never-ending and they get kids from Philly, the greater Philly area, the state of Delaware, and several parts of New Jersey. In fact, 25 players on their current roster are from New Jersey! To add to this madness, 6-7 of them start on offense and 5-6 of them start on defense! In fact, SJP's starting offensive line are ALL FROM NEW JERSEY except the center!!!! That is downright ridiculous. So a public school has to compete not only against kids from all over the region near SJP but also has to compete against New Jersey kids too??? This is not an argument about boundary vs. non-boundary it's about how SJP makes a mockery of the PIAA. They humiliated GV the other night. That game should never take place because GV should not have to compete against kids from other states TOO. The whole thing is a joke. PIAA State Champs and you live in Vineland, NJ or Cinnaminson, NJ or Wilmington DE?

Just not sure what SJP gets out of beating up on teams that they SHOULD beat up every year. Why not play UP to your competition. Why play a "national schedule" only to come back to the PIAA and demolish a boundary-strapped school? SJP would survive just fine playing against the Don Bosco, St. Francis, St. Peter's Prep, DePaul Catholic, Paramus Catholic, St. Joseph, Blair Academy, Wyoming Seminary, LaSalle, Bergen Catholic, St. Johns, and Ceasar Rodney. That's 12 teams to choose from. Then have their very own regional championship much like Blair Academy does in wrestling.

What the PIAA should do regarding the playoffs is seed the state playoff contenders at each classification 1 thru 8. Then re-seed after the quarter-final round. This would avoid the same district matchups year after year and mix up the state championship process. This format currently is not working nor is the idea that it makes sense to have SJP in the mix! They should win every year! It's not coaching. It's taking in the best 22 kids from 20 different NJ high schools, a few from Delaware, and spreading them amongst the other 45-50 kids from the Philly region, the largest region in the northeast outside of NYC! When you really look at the arrangement, it was impressive what Freedom High School accomplished two weeks ago! Change is needed.

 

[RCH13co18]

You had me with the first line 😂😂
GV loss to all boundary kids. All boundary kids scored on GV maybe that was planned.

 

[RCH13co18]

This should not be read as yet another complainer whining about boundary vs. non-boundary teams. St. Joe's Prep is not your ordinary non-boundary school. Most non-boundary schools get their athletes from an approximate 30 min radius within their state. SJP radius is never-ending and they get kids from Philly, the greater Philly area, the state of Delaware, and several parts of New Jersey. In fact, 25 players on their current roster are from New Jersey! To add to this madness, 6-7 of them start on offense and 5-6 of them start on defense! In fact, SJP's starting offensive line are ALL FROM NEW JERSEY except the center!!!! That is downright ridiculous. So a public school has to compete not only against kids from all over the region near SJP but also has to compete against New Jersey kids too??? This is not an argument about boundary vs. non-boundary it's about how SJP makes a mockery of the PIAA. They humiliated GV the other night. That game should never take place because GV should not have to compete against kids from other states TOO. The whole thing is a joke. PIAA State Champs and you live in Vineland, NJ or Cinnaminson, NJ or Wilmington DE?

Just not sure what SJP gets out of beating up on teams that they SHOULD beat up every year. Why not play UP to your competition. Why play a "national schedule" only to come back to the PIAA and demolish a boundary-strapped school? SJP would survive just fine playing against the Don Bosco, St. Francis, St. Peter's Prep, DePaul Catholic, Paramus Catholic, St. Joseph, Blair Academy, Wyoming Seminary, LaSalle, Bergen Catholic, St. Johns, and Ceasar Rodney. That's 12 teams to choose from. Then have their very own regional championship much like Blair Academy does in wrestling.

What the PIAA should do regarding the playoffs is seed the state playoff contenders at each classification 1 thru 8. Then re-seed after the quarter-final round. This would avoid the same district matchups year after year and mix up the state championship process. This format currently is not working nor is the idea that it makes sense to have SJP in the mix! They should win every year! It's not coaching. It's taking in the best 22 kids from 20 different NJ high schools, a few from Delaware, and spreading them amongst the other 45-50 kids from the Philly region, the largest region in the northeast outside of NYC! When you really look at the arrangement, it was impressive what Freedom High School accomplished two weeks ago! Change is needed.

Why is prep the only one who should be removed but other schools operate the same? Lasalle don’t have boundaries and neither does Roman. Why aren’t those schools representing the D12 this wknd? That’s crazy coming from a Roman guy.

 

[Patesteel]

You had me with the first line 😂😂
GV loss to all boundary kids. All boundary kids scored on GV maybe that was planned.

Don't you love when SJP supporters say stuff like "bring in _______" or the "new group is a young group," when in fact these aren't normal young athletes they bring in. They are the BEST young athletes from other high schools. Their LG, from New Jersey, is 6-3, 290 and a sophomore. Would they "bring him in" if he was say 6-1, 240 like most high school teams have?

 

[roxychknpoxy]

This should not be read as yet another complainer whining about boundary vs. non-boundary teams. St. Joe's Prep is not your ordinary non-boundary school. Most non-boundary schools get their athletes from an approximate 30 min radius within their state. SJP radius is never-ending and they get kids from Philly, the greater Philly area, the state of Delaware, and several parts of New Jersey. In fact, 25 players on their current roster are from New Jersey! To add to this madness, 6-7 of them start on offense and 5-6 of them start on defense! In fact, SJP's starting offensive line are ALL FROM NEW JERSEY except the center!!!! That is downright ridiculous. So a public school has to compete not only against kids from all over the region near SJP but also has to compete against New Jersey kids too??? This is not an argument about boundary vs. non-boundary it's about how SJP makes a mockery of the PIAA. They humiliated GV the other night. That game should never take place because GV should not have to compete against kids from other states TOO. The whole thing is a joke. PIAA State Champs and you live in Vineland, NJ or Cinnaminson, NJ or Wilmington DE?

Just not sure what SJP gets out of beating up on teams that they SHOULD beat up every year. Why not play UP to your competition. Why play a "national schedule" only to come back to the PIAA and demolish a boundary-strapped school? SJP would survive just fine playing against the Don Bosco, St. Francis, St. Peter's Prep, DePaul Catholic, Paramus Catholic, St. Joseph, Blair Academy, Wyoming Seminary, LaSalle, Bergen Catholic, St. Johns, and Ceasar Rodney. That's 12 teams to choose from. Then have their very own regional championship much like Blair Academy does in wrestling.

What the PIAA should do regarding the playoffs is seed the state playoff contenders at each classification 1 thru 8. Then re-seed after the quarter-final round. This would avoid the same district matchups year after year and mix up the state championship process. This format currently is not working nor is the idea that it makes sense to have SJP in the mix! They should win every year! It's not coaching. It's taking in the best 22 kids from 20 different NJ high schools, a few from Delaware, and spreading them amongst the other 45-50 kids from the Philly region, the largest region in the northeast outside of NYC! When you really look at the arrangement, it was impressive what Freedom High School accomplished two weeks ago! Change is needed.

Don’t forget FL and TX … transfer coming in from CA next year … love the DE comment, surprised it took this long, don’t forget MD because traveling that far for HS makes sense … the reality is Prep has drawn 30+% of their student body from Jersey for close to 70 years and it’s expected that the same ratio is relative on the football team which it is … btw, you may want to do a recount and fine tune those numbers … Prep is playing with the rules they’ve been given and the PIAA knows it … they knew it then and they know it now.

 

[RCH13co18]

Don't you love when SJP supporters say stuff like "bring in _______" or the "new group is a young group," when in fact these aren't normal young athletes they bring in. They are the BEST young athletes from other high schools. Their LG, from New Jersey, is 6-3, 290 and a sophomore. Would they "bring him in" if he was say 6-1, 240 like most high school teams have?

You speak as if he’s the only 6-3,290 kid on earth. Those coaches are doing the work. You think kids just fall in their lap or those coaches get on the road and shake hands n kiss babies. I would totally agree if they was doing something no one else could do, but that’s not the case. Even with all that I’ve never seen a kid escape preps entrance exam. When you find news on that then I’ll listen.

 

[Patesteel]

Why is prep the only one who should be removed but other schools operate the same? Lasalle don’t have boundaries and neither does Roman. Why aren’t those schools representing the D12 this wknd? That’s crazy coming from a Roman guy.

Not a Roman guy. And for good measure, take them all! Pretty sure the other schools don't have 25 Jersey and Delaware kids on their rosters. Like I said SJP and maybe even LaSalle is not your typical non-boundary team. Read what I wrote. The other schools are non-boundary but nowhere near where SJP is. Prep is on a completely different level, so stay there!

 

[RCH13co18]

Not a Roman guy. And for good measure, take them all! Pretty sure the other schools don't have 25 Jersey and Delaware kids on their rosters. Like I said SJP and maybe even LaSalle is not your typical non-boundary team. Read what I wrote. The other schools are non-boundary but nowhere near where SJP is. Prep is on a completely different level, so stay there!

I’m a Roman guy. If non-boundary schools aren’t on the level of prep who’s fault is that? Let’s take prep out and the schools who wins after that will most likely be the school with the most resources.

 

[Patesteel]

You speak as if he’s the only 6-3,290 kid on earth. Those coaches are doing the work. You think kids just fall in their lap or those coaches get on the road and shake hands n kiss babies. I would totally agree if they was doing something no one else could do, but that’s not the case. Even with all that I’ve never seen a kid escape preps entrance exam. When you find news on that then I’ll listen.

The 6-3, 290 kid was just one example of the many cream of the crop kids from their respective NJ high schools ending up at SJP. And by the way, kids do fall on their lap ALL OF THE TIME! Like Trotter's boys who live in Mt. Laurel NJ! Aren't there any private schools in NJ? Sure there is, but the boys get dropped on the lap of SJP. Prep IS doing something no one else is doing! No one else has 20+ kids from 20+ NJ high schools on their team. Again, these aren't your average athletes just showing up and trying out for the team. They are the best athletes of their respective high schools all heading to the same school because the PIAA allows it. It will NEVER be a level playing field bottom line. Never!

 

[RCH13co18]

The 6-3, 290 kid was just one example of the many cream of the crop kids from their respective NJ high schools ending up at SJP. And by the way, kids do fall on their lap ALL OF THE TIME! Like Trotter's boys who live in Mt. Laurel NJ! Aren't there any private schools in NJ? Sure there is, but the boys get dropped on the lap of SJP. Prep IS doing something no one else is doing! No one else has 20+ kids from 20+ NJ high schools on their team. Again, these aren't your average athletes just showing up and trying out for the team. They are the best athletes of their respective high schools all heading to the same school because the PIAA allows it. It will NEVER be a level playing field bottom line. Never!

Was it leveled when cb west and north Penn dominated? We know all boundaries are completely different. Parents could use the same argument. GV have state of the art facilities , weight room , meals ……etc Is that not also an advantage ?

 

[tulla]

This should not be read as yet another complainer whining about boundary vs. non-boundary teams. St. Joe's Prep is not your ordinary non-boundary school. Most non-boundary schools get their athletes from an approximate 30 min radius within their state. SJP radius is never-ending and they get kids from Philly, the greater Philly area, the state of Delaware, and several parts of New Jersey. In fact, 25 players on their current roster are from New Jersey! To add to this madness, 6-7 of them start on offense and 5-6 of them start on defense! In fact, SJP's starting offensive line are ALL FROM NEW JERSEY except the center!!!! That is downright ridiculous. So a public school has to compete not only against kids from all over the region near SJP but also has to compete against New Jersey kids too??? This is not an argument about boundary vs. non-boundary it's about how SJP makes a mockery of the PIAA. They humiliated GV the other night. That game should never take place because GV should not have to compete against kids from other states TOO. The whole thing is a joke. PIAA State Champs and you live in Vineland, NJ or Cinnaminson, NJ or Wilmington DE?

Just not sure what SJP gets out of beating up on teams that they SHOULD beat up every year. Why not play UP to your competition. Why play a "national schedule" only to come back to the PIAA and demolish a boundary-strapped school? SJP would survive just fine playing against the Don Bosco, St. Francis, St. Peter's Prep, DePaul Catholic, Paramus Catholic, St. Joseph, Blair Academy, Wyoming Seminary, LaSalle, Bergen Catholic, St. Johns, and Ceasar Rodney. That's 12 teams to choose from. Then have their very own regional championship much like Blair Academy does in wrestling.

What the PIAA should do regarding the playoffs is seed the state playoff contenders at each classification 1 thru 8. Then re-seed after the quarter-final round. This would avoid the same district matchups year after year and mix up the state championship process. This format currently is not working nor is the idea that it makes sense to have SJP in the mix! They should win every year! It's not coaching. It's taking in the best 22 kids from 20 different NJ high schools, a few from Delaware, and spreading them amongst the other 45-50 kids from the Philly region, the largest region in the northeast outside of NYC! When you really look at the arrangement, it was impressive what Freedom High School accomplished two weeks ago! Change is needed.

Just went through the Prep's roster where almost all the hometowns are posted. Sixty two players have PA hometowns; nineteen have Jersey ones. So please check your facts. At least two of the starting linemen (Cervantes and Treadway are from PA, so you're wrong there too).

How many Delaware kids are on the Prep roster? I'm not sure about this year (since 7 or 8 hometowns aren't listed) but I know there have been two Delaware players on Prep rosters in the last ten years or so--one of whom transferred to a Jersey school after one year at the Prep.)

You seem to be assuming that any kid in Jersey is a fair bit more than a 30 minute commute from the Prep. Check your geography. I went to the Prep from Jersey and, when it wasn't rush hour, got there in 20 minutes via car. Of course, getting home from football practice--after the bus took us from the practice field to the Prep--took a lot longer because I took public transportation. You could consider that kind of commute (which many Prep players did) a particular disadvantage. In any case, most of the Prep players who live in Jersey--and it looks like there are more this year than most years--live about a 30-minute car trip from the Prep. The kid from Vineland, Harris, must really want to come to the Prep because that's a good bit further away.

All those North Jersey Catholic schools have their own league and their own Jersey version of the PIAA state championship. The Prep has played many of them, but the Prep is very much a part of the PCL. Haven't heard anyone in the PCL say they want them to leave.

 

[tulla]

The 6-3, 290 kid was just one example of the many cream of the crop kids from their respective NJ high schools ending up at SJP. And by the way, kids do fall on their lap ALL OF THE TIME! Like Trotter's boys who live in Mt. Laurel NJ! Aren't there any private schools in NJ? Sure there is, but the boys get dropped on the lap of SJP. Prep IS doing something no one else is doing! No one else has 20+ kids from 20+ NJ high schools on their team. Again, these aren't your average athletes just showing up and trying out for the team. They are the best athletes of their respective high schools all heading to the same school because the PIAA allows it. It will NEVER be a level playing field bottom line. Never!

Sounds like you could use an ativan.

The Prep gets occasional transfers, but I have no idea what you mean when you say they get 20+ kids from 20+ Jersey high schools. What Jersey high schools did the Trotters, the Johnsons, Harris, Reid, Zacchaeus, etc, go to? I'll save you the research: none.

 

[yeez1001]

This should not be read as yet another complainer whining about boundary vs. non-boundary teams. St. Joe's Prep is not your ordinary non-boundary school. Most non-boundary schools get their athletes from an approximate 30 min radius within their state. SJP radius is never-ending and they get kids from Philly, the greater Philly area, the state of Delaware, and several parts of New Jersey. In fact, 25 players on their current roster are from New Jersey! To add to this madness, 6-7 of them start on offense and 5-6 of them start on defense! In fact, SJP's starting offensive line are ALL FROM NEW JERSEY except the center!!!! That is downright ridiculous. So a public school has to compete not only against kids from all over the region near SJP but also has to compete against New Jersey kids too??? This is not an argument about boundary vs. non-boundary it's about how SJP makes a mockery of the PIAA. They humiliated GV the other night. That game should never take place because GV should not have to compete against kids from other states TOO. The whole thing is a joke. PIAA State Champs and you live in Vineland, NJ or Cinnaminson, NJ or Wilmington DE?

Just not sure what SJP gets out of beating up on teams that they SHOULD beat up every year. Why not play UP to your competition. Why play a "national schedule" only to come back to the PIAA and demolish a boundary-strapped school? SJP would survive just fine playing against the Don Bosco, St. Francis, St. Peter's Prep, DePaul Catholic, Paramus Catholic, St. Joseph, Blair Academy, Wyoming Seminary, LaSalle, Bergen Catholic, St. Johns, and Ceasar Rodney. That's 12 teams to choose from. Then have their very own regional championship much like Blair Academy does in wrestling.

What the PIAA should do regarding the playoffs is seed the state playoff contenders at each classification 1 thru 8. Then re-seed after the quarter-final round. This would avoid the same district matchups year after year and mix up the state championship process. This format currently is not working nor is the idea that it makes sense to have SJP in the mix! They should win every year! It's not coaching. It's taking in the best 22 kids from 20 different NJ high schools, a few from Delaware, and spreading them amongst the other 45-50 kids from the Philly region, the largest region in the northeast outside of NYC! When you really look at the arrangement, it was impressive what Freedom High School accomplished two weeks ago! Change is needed.

Jersey is about a 30 min radious of north philly you dopes

 

[tulla]

This should not be read as yet another complainer whining about boundary vs. non-boundary teams. St. Joe's Prep is not your ordinary non-boundary school. Most non-boundary schools get their athletes from an approximate 30 min radius within their state. SJP radius is never-ending and they get kids from Philly, the greater Philly area, the state of Delaware, and several parts of New Jersey. In fact, 25 players on their current roster are from New Jersey! To add to this madness, 6-7 of them start on offense and 5-6 of them start on defense! In fact, SJP's starting offensive line are ALL FROM NEW JERSEY except the center!!!! That is downright ridiculous. So a public school has to compete not only against kids from all over the region near SJP but also has to compete against New Jersey kids too??? This is not an argument about boundary vs. non-boundary it's about how SJP makes a mockery of the PIAA. They humiliated GV the other night. That game should never take place because GV should not have to compete against kids from other states TOO. The whole thing is a joke. PIAA State Champs and you live in Vineland, NJ or Cinnaminson, NJ or Wilmington DE?

Just not sure what SJP gets out of beating up on teams that they SHOULD beat up every year. Why not play UP to your competition. Why play a "national schedule" only to come back to the PIAA and demolish a boundary-strapped school? SJP would survive just fine playing against the Don Bosco, St. Francis, St. Peter's Prep, DePaul Catholic, Paramus Catholic, St. Joseph, Blair Academy, Wyoming Seminary, LaSalle, Bergen Catholic, St. Johns, and Ceasar Rodney. That's 12 teams to choose from. Then have their very own regional championship much like Blair Academy does in wrestling.

What the PIAA should do regarding the playoffs is seed the state playoff contenders at each classification 1 thru 8. Then re-seed after the quarter-final round. This would avoid the same district matchups year after year and mix up the state championship process. This format currently is not working nor is the idea that it makes sense to have SJP in the mix! They should win every year! It's not coaching. It's taking in the best 22 kids from 20 different NJ high schools, a few from Delaware, and spreading them amongst the other 45-50 kids from the Philly region, the largest region in the northeast outside of NYC! When you really look at the arrangement, it was impressive what Freedom High School accomplished two weeks ago! Change is needed.

More fact checking: seven starters on defense-not five or six--are from PA: Nelson, Agard, Daly, DuMond, Klick, Nicholl, Nilles

 

[roxychknpoxy]

More fact checking: seven starters on defense-not five or six--are from PA: Nelson, Agard, Daly, DuMond, Klick, Nicholl, Nilles

Tulla -

it’s always the slippery slope argument to throw kids in from DE, because it sounds broader but isn’t accurate. Since I’m simply responding to you, I will say this - my son graduated over 10 years ago. He was the smallest lineman on the OL at 264. He never played football before playing at SJP. It was an incredible challenge and by junior year, we were approached by two pcl schools and two pubs to transfer. He was rough, but developed, and could have started on any other team. He was a role player and that was fine. He got offers to play D3 simply because he went to the Prep and the schools knew the kids were coached in great detail on specifics. He chose not to play and that’s fine, but the work the coaches put in and the process created, which now includes yoga and meditation as well, is unprecedented. The workload and commitment is unmeasurable compared to other schools.

 

[PA1127]

This should not be read as yet another complainer whining about boundary vs. non-boundary teams. St. Joe's Prep is not your ordinary non-boundary school. Most non-boundary schools get their athletes from an approximate 30 min radius within their state. SJP radius is never-ending and they get kids from Philly, the greater Philly area, the state of Delaware, and several parts of New Jersey. In fact, 25 players on their current roster are from New Jersey! To add to this madness, 6-7 of them start on offense and 5-6 of them start on defense! In fact, SJP's starting offensive line are ALL FROM NEW JERSEY except the center!!!! That is downright ridiculous. So a public school has to compete not only against kids from all over the region near SJP but also has to compete against New Jersey kids too??? This is not an argument about boundary vs. non-boundary it's about how SJP makes a mockery of the PIAA. They humiliated GV the other night. That game should never take place because GV should not have to compete against kids from other states TOO. The whole thing is a joke. PIAA State Champs and you live in Vineland, NJ or Cinnaminson, NJ or Wilmington DE?

Just not sure what SJP gets out of beating up on teams that they SHOULD beat up every year. Why not play UP to your competition. Why play a "national schedule" only to come back to the PIAA and demolish a boundary-strapped school? SJP would survive just fine playing against the Don Bosco, St. Francis, St. Peter's Prep, DePaul Catholic, Paramus Catholic, St. Joseph, Blair Academy, Wyoming Seminary, LaSalle, Bergen Catholic, St. Johns, and Ceasar Rodney. That's 12 teams to choose from. Then have their very own regional championship much like Blair Academy does in wrestling.

What the PIAA should do regarding the playoffs is seed the state playoff contenders at each classification 1 thru 8. Then re-seed after the quarter-final round. This would avoid the same district matchups year after year and mix up the state championship process. This format currently is not working nor is the idea that it makes sense to have SJP in the mix! They should win every year! It's not coaching. It's taking in the best 22 kids from 20 different NJ high schools, a few from Delaware, and spreading them amongst the other 45-50 kids from the Philly region, the largest region in the northeast outside of NYC! When you really look at the arrangement, it was impressive what Freedom High School accomplished two weeks ago! Change is needed.

New Jersey is 2 miles away from the prep.

 

[Patesteel]

Jersey is about a 30 min radious of north philly you dopes

The only dopes are those that make excuses for kids living in one state playing for an all-star team against another school that is not allowed to do the same thing. PIAA gold medals should go to athletes who live in PA and represent PA. How awkward to go to a player's house in Wayne, NJ to see his gold medal that he got from PA??? Instead of name-calling, take off the rosey colored lenses and see what is really happening. Prep does not belong in the PIAA. They are an amazing team that should be playing other teams BUILT like them.

 

[Patesteel]

New Jersey is 2 miles away from the prep.

No kidding? What's your point? Kids who live in New Jersey should play against other schools in New Jersey not in the PIAA! Come on you're smarter than that.

 

[Patesteel]

More fact checking: seven starters on defense-not five or six--are from PA: Nelson, Agard, Daly, DuMond, Klick, Nicholl, Nilles

The point is that ALL OF THEM should be from PA. Makes no sense to expect boundary schools to be able to compete with SJP and the NJ All Stars.

 

[Patesteel]

Jersey is about a 30 min radious of north philly you dopes

Another odd response. Many don't seem to get that the PIAA was organized for PA high schools which have PA athletes. Kids from other states should play in their respective states. If a boundary school was funneling in athletes from NJ and DE, the PIAA would crush that situation immediately. Here is what I don't get - Why does SJP want to play in the PIAA??? What do they get out of it? If you have a national brand, why play teams that are inferior? If you want to be the best play the best - IMG, Don Bosco, St. Francis and then wrap it up with championship game. Plain and simple.

 

[Patesteel]

Was it leveled when cb west and north Penn dominated? We know all boundaries are completely different. Parents could use the same argument. GV have state of the art facilities , weight room , meals ……etc Is that not also an advantage ?

Their kids are all from GV, CB West, and NP areas. SJP not the case. If SJP was competing to get athletes from the Philly area it would make sense. Why be greedy and get kids out of state????

 

[Patesteel]

Just went through the Prep's roster where almost all the hometowns are posted. Sixty two players have PA hometowns; nineteen have Jersey ones. So please check your facts. At least two of the starting linemen (Cervantes and Treadway are from PA, so you're wrong there too).

How many Delaware kids are on the Prep roster? I'm not sure about this year (since 7 or 8 hometowns aren't listed) but I know there have been two Delaware players on Prep rosters in the last ten years or so--one of whom transferred to a Jersey school after one year at the Prep.)

You seem to be assuming that any kid in Jersey is a fair bit more than a 30 minute commute from the Prep. Check your geography. I went to the Prep from Jersey and, when it wasn't rush hour, got there in 20 minutes via car. Of course, getting home from football practice--after the bus took us from the practice field to the Prep--took a lot longer because I took public transportation. You could consider that kind of commute (which many Prep players did) a particular disadvantage. In any case, most of the Prep players who live in Jersey--and it looks like there are more this year than most years--live about a 30-minute car trip from the Prep. The kid from Vineland, Harris, must really want to come to the Prep because that's a good bit further away.

All those North Jersey Catholic schools have their own league and their own Jersey version of the PIAA state championship. The Prep has played many of them, but the Prep is very much a part of the PCL. Haven't heard anyone in the PCL say they want them to leave.

Your response is embarrassing because once again, the PIAA was meant for PA athletes from PA high schools. I can send you the breakdown of the 22 kids (not 19) that are from NEW JERSEY on SJP team. Their best players are from New Jersey. Their FBS linebacker lives in NJ, their FBS LT is from NJ, their FBS DE is from Camden, I can go on and on. They belong in NJ doing big things in NJ, and not dominating PA athletes. Guys like you can't see the reality and I get it because you benefitted from playing in the system. What you can't see is the fact that we are disputing the number of NJ kids on a PA high school team playing in the PA State finals again! That is so crazy and wrong. But hey, the PIAA is to blame. Not blaming SJP.

 

[Patesteel]

Tulla -

it’s always the slippery slope argument to throw kids in from DE, because it sounds broader but isn’t accurate. Since I’m simply responding to you, I will say this - my son graduated over 10 years ago. He was the smallest lineman on the OL at 264. He never played football before playing at SJP. It was an incredible challenge and by junior year, we were approached by two pcl schools and two pubs to transfer. He was rough, but developed, and could have started on any other team. He was a role player and that was fine. He got offers to play D3 simply because he went to the Prep and the schools knew the kids were coached in great detail on specifics. He chose not to play and that’s fine, but the work the coaches put in and the process created, which now includes yoga and meditation as well, is unprecedented. The workload and commitment is unmeasurable compared to other schools.

I would want my son offered and given opportunities because he was evaluated as a quality player and not because he stayed at an all-star team and probably "received good coaching?" Trust me, coaches at the college level bring in kids mainly based on how fast they are, how quick they can change direction, good height, good weight, field production, etc - Not that they come from a good high school.

 

[PA1127]

This thread is hilarious. I love how it starts out with it won’t be a boundary/ non- boundary complaint and then that exact thing is what gets brought up.

I get it. Everyone complaining just watched their son get blown out or they got blown out themselves. So they want to scream “it’s not fair!” And bring up every possible advantage and completely ignore the disadvantages. Just accept that little Johnny isn’t good enough and move on.

 

[Patesteel]

Sounds like you could use an ativan.

The Prep gets occasional transfers, but I have no idea what you mean when you say they get 20+ kids from 20+ Jersey high schools. What Jersey high schools did the Trotters, the Johnsons, Harris, Reid, Zacchaeus, etc, go to? I'll save you the research: none.

Drug-free here. The Prep gets occasional transfers????? Maybe you should be taking those Ativan? 22 kids on their team are from New Jersey, that's one-third of their roster hahaha. You try to put a bandaid on it by asking which high school they actually attended in NJ. That's my exact point. Live in NJ = play in NJ. Live in NY = play in NY. Live in Philly = play in PA. They didn't have to go to NJ high schools because they could join the all-star team.

 

[roxychknpoxy]

I would want my son offered and given opportunities because he was evaluated as a quality player and not because he stayed at an all-star team and probably "received good coaching?" Trust me, coaches at the college level bring in kids mainly based on how fast they are, how quick they can change direction, good height, good weight, field production, etc - Not that they come from a good high school.

You fancy yourself a know it all. Your facts are off. Your information relative to Prep and the PIAA is wrong as they came with PCL which they’ve been in for a century. Also, you know very little about D3 level and college recruiting in general and it shows. The irony is I wasn’t talking to you. The loudest gongs make the most noise, keep pounding away, it’s getting entertaining now.

 

[Patesteel]

This thread is hilarious. I love how it starts out with it won’t be a boundary/ non- boundary complaint and then that exact thing is what gets brought up.

I get it. Everyone complaining just watched their son get blown out or they got blown out themselves. So they want to scream “it’s not fair!” And bring up every possible advantage and completely ignore the disadvantages. Just accept that little Johnny isn’t good enough and move on.

The post is not about boundaries. It's about a PA getting numerous athletes from ANOTHER state and then pounding their chest because they beat teams that can't do the same. We have D-1 athletes from this family, nice try. Homegrown. Taught my boys to lead and not follow like sheep. Taught them to fight for and earn things. No little ZJohnny's getting run over here. That is the usual line of someone who can't explain how it makes sense for SJP to play in the PIAA. Go play other teams built like them - Don Bosco, IMG, Blair Academy then finish with your own championship game - the field is level that way

 

[Patesteel]

You fancy yourself a know it all. Your facts are off. Your information relative to Prep and the PIAA is wrong as they came with PCL which they’ve been in for a century. Also, you know very little about D3 level and college recruiting in general and it shows. The irony is I wasn’t talking to you. The loudest gongs make the most noise, keep pounding away, it’s getting entertaining now.

Not a know it all, just some simple facts. Not sure which facts are off? Maybe there are 22 instead of 25 NJ kids on the team? That SJP has 6 starters on offense from NJ? That SJP's starting OL are all from NJ? That D3 coaches and college coaches, in general, don't recruit and offer kids because of the school the program/system they played in? All of those are facts. I am talking to you and just wanted to be clear that facts are facts. Making comments about college coaches picking up kids outside of the realm of evaluating their talent is absurd. You may want to sit this one out.

 

[tulla]

The post is not about boundaries. It's about a PA getting numerous athletes from ANOTHER state and then pounding their chest because they beat teams that can't do the same. We have D-1 athletes from this family, nice try. Homegrown. Taught my boys to lead and not follow like sheep. Taught them to fight for and earn things. No little ZJohnny's getting run over here. That is the usual line of someone who can't explain how it makes sense for SJP to play in the PIAA. Go play other teams built like them - Don Bosco, IMG, Blair Academy then finish with your own championship game - the field is level that way

Last response: The Prep has always had a fairly large number of students, including student-athletes, from Jersey. They've never hidden that. If the PIAA ever had a rule that only kids from PA could play for PA schools, it's news to me. Maybe you've got the secret document that they haven't been paying attention to for more than a decade since the PCL joined. If the PIAA ever made a rule saying only PA residents were eligible, the Prep would withdraw. They play by the rules.

The kid from Wayne is from Wayne PA, not Wayne NJ. I'm surprised you never heard of Wayne PA. Where, by the way, are you from?

The great majority of students from NJ who come to the Prep are not "transfers." They never attended a NJ high school and they, like the students the Prep gets from PA, don't belong to a school district.

In addition to the seven defensive starters I listed above who come from PA, here are the offensive starters who do: Cervantes, Treadway, Samir Jones, Elijah Jones, Bunch, Picariello, Phillips, and Woods. How about I also throw in Chadha and Barlow?

 

[roxychknpoxy]

Not a know it all, just some simple facts. Not sure which facts are off? Maybe there are 22 instead of 25 NJ kids on the team? That SJP has 6 starters on offense from NJ? That SJP's starting OL are all from NJ? That D3 coaches and college coaches, in general, don't recruit and offer kids because of the school the program/system they played in? All of those are facts. I am talking to you and just wanted to be clear that facts are facts. Making comments about college coaches picking up kids outside of the realm of evaluating their talent is absurd. You may want to sit this one out.

Ha … you mad?!?? D3 will and have absolutely offered kids at SJP and a number of them were/are role players. Obviously the only advantage in D3 is to play as money isn’t an issue. But you know that even though you just admitted you don’t know that - LOL. You still mad?! Take out the trash and get yourself a decaf tea, put your feet in a salt bath, close your eyes and say out loud “I’m so smart” until you’re tired of hearing it as much as we are.

 

[16th&Georgetown]

I didn’t realize that NJ and De athletes were superior to Pa athletes ??? Lol

 

[tulla]

I didn’t realize that NJ and De athletes were superior to Pa athletes ??? Lol

I'm still trying to figure out who all the DE players are at SJP.

 

[RCH13co18]

The point is that ALL OF THEM should be from PA. Makes no sense to expect boundary schools to be able to compete with SJP and the NJ All Stars.

We don’t have to expect it Bc it actually happened. Is freedom not a boundary school ? Instead of worrying bout boundaries they said they shoulda won which most ppl agreed on.

 

[16th&Georgetown]

Never at any point in the Freedom game was Prep in jeopardy. Every weekend we see it in college and the nfl. Sometimes better teams play down to their competition. No disrespect to Freedom but I believe that was the case. Maybe there’s a pattern here. Prep probably let off the gas too early and fell asleep against LaSalle in the first meeting. They obviously corrected that in their next meeting. They beat Wood the first time and maybe took them too lightly the second time. Then came the Freedom wake-up call then came the rebound GV win. However I don’t see them taking Mt. Lebo too lightly this weekend.

 

[Hausmann1978]

This should not be read as yet another complainer whining about boundary vs. non-boundary teams. St. Joe's Prep is not your ordinary non-boundary school. Most non-boundary schools get their athletes from an approximate 30 min radius within their state. SJP radius is never-ending and they get kids from Philly, the greater Philly area, the state of Delaware, and several parts of New Jersey. In fact, 25 players on their current roster are from New Jersey! To add to this madness, 6-7 of them start on offense and 5-6 of them start on defense! In fact, SJP's starting offensive line are ALL FROM NEW JERSEY except the center!!!! That is downright ridiculous. So a public school has to compete not only against kids from all over the region near SJP but also has to compete against New Jersey kids too??? This is not an argument about boundary vs. non-boundary it's about how SJP makes a mockery of the PIAA. They humiliated GV the other night. That game should never take place because GV should not have to compete against kids from other states TOO. The whole thing is a joke. PIAA State Champs and you live in Vineland, NJ or Cinnaminson, NJ or Wilmington DE?

Just not sure what SJP gets out of beating up on teams that they SHOULD beat up every year. Why not play UP to your competition. Why play a "national schedule" only to come back to the PIAA and demolish a boundary-strapped school? SJP would survive just fine playing against the Don Bosco, St. Francis, St. Peter's Prep, DePaul Catholic, Paramus Catholic, St. Joseph, Blair Academy, Wyoming Seminary, LaSalle, Bergen Catholic, St. Johns, and Ceasar Rodney. That's 12 teams to choose from. Then have their very own regional championship much like Blair Academy does in wrestling.

What the PIAA should do regarding the playoffs is seed the state playoff contenders at each classification 1 thru 8. Then re-seed after the quarter-final round. This would avoid the same district matchups year after year and mix up the state championship process. This format currently is not working nor is the idea that it makes sense to have SJP in the mix! They should win every year! It's not coaching. It's taking in the best 22 kids from 20 different NJ high schools, a few from Delaware, and spreading them amongst the other 45-50 kids from the Philly region, the largest region in the northeast outside of NYC! When you really look at the arrangement, it was impressive what Freedom High School accomplished two weeks ago! Change is needed.

Well said and youre 💯 right. The playing field is so lopsided. It's amazing how the piaa allows this all star team to participate and it's even more amazing how people on here try to defend it.

 

[yeez1001]

Well said and youre 💯 right. The playing field is so lopsided. It's amazing how the piaa allows this all star team to participate and it's even more amazing how people on here try to defend it.

heard that the GV dude isnt even retiring, actually joining the Prep staff to make it an all star coaching staff to match the roster. gonna teach them how to run double dive and teach that #2 a proper 3 pt stance in the backfield. state doesnt stand a chance now

 

[Hausmann1978]

Don’t forget FL and TX … transfer coming in from CA next year … love the DE comment, surprised it took this long, don’t forget MD because traveling that far for HS makes sense … the reality is Prep has drawn 30+% of their student body from Jersey for close to 70 years and it’s expected that the same ratio is relative on the football team which it is … btw, you may want to do a recount and fine tune those numbers … Prep is playing with the rules they’ve been given and the PIAA knows it … they knew it then and they know it now.

They are playing within the rules but the rules are flawed is the point. It allows for a major imbalance for 1 team.

 

[RCH13co18]

They are playing within the rules but the rules are flawed is the point. It allows for a major imbalance for 1 team.

Stop saying one team. That’s our point.

 

[PA1127]

The post is not about boundaries. It's about a PA getting numerous athletes from ANOTHER state and then pounding their chest because they beat teams that can't do the same. We have D-1 athletes from this family, nice try. Homegrown. Taught my boys to lead and not follow like sheep. Taught them to fight for and earn things. No little ZJohnny's getting run over here. That is the usual line of someone who can't explain how it makes sense for SJP to play in the PIAA. Go play other teams built like them - Don Bosco, IMG, Blair Academy then finish with your own championship game - the field is level that way

They would absolutely destroy teams from the MAPL conference. The interesting thing is I played on a team in high school that had the #1 recruit in the country. 15 D1 players and we were all from different states. We went 4-6 and only played boundary schools. Go figure.

 

[RCH13co18]

The post is not about boundaries. It's about a PA getting numerous athletes from ANOTHER state and then pounding their chest because they beat teams that can't do the same. We have D-1 athletes from this family, nice try. Homegrown. Taught my boys to lead and not follow like sheep. Taught them to fight for and earn things. No little ZJohnny's getting run over here. That is the usual line of someone who can't explain how it makes sense for SJP to play in the PIAA. Go play other teams built like them - Don Bosco, IMG, Blair Academy then finish with your own championship game - the field is level that way

Most of the teams you mentioned all return home to their respective conferences after they play non league games to TEST the strength of their team. Mater Dei does it, Bergen does it, and so does St. John’s.