The West: 6A Top 10….September 19th

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  1. Stalker

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    1 Pine Richland 4-0, D7; Big changes in the rankings this week but not with these guys who continue rolling over everything in their path, downing previously undefeated Penn Hills 43-6. No real surprise there unless more was expected from PH. Decent balance with Phil Jurkovec throwing for 168 yards and running back Jordan Crawford rushing for 138 yards on 16 carries. To date the Rams have outscored opponents 179-42 with the toughest part of the schedule up next, traveling to Bethel Park this week followed by a home game against Central Catholic. Its crunch time and a Wpial playoff preview with undefeated Bethel Park looking like the top dog in the competitive Southeastern Conference with Mt. Lebanon their biggest threat. Pine Richland looks like they’ll run away with the Northern with comparatively pedestrian attacks at Central Catholic and North Allegheny. But all of that comes after what could be a stiff challenge from Bethel Park, by far their toughest opponent to date. The Black Hawks proved they can bang with the big boys defeating North Allegheny in the opener 35-15. They owned the clock and had nearly 350 yards rushing in that one. Humm!

    2 Cumberland Valley 3-0, D3; Cumberland Valley jumped on Bishop McDevitt early and often, racing out to a 21-3 first half lead then coasting to a 49-23 blowout win. Few do that to McDevitt except DeMatha and the likes. For an offense that often just pounds you stupid with painful drives, they used the big play in this one featuring 47 and 58-yard rushing scores, an 82-yard kickoff return for six and a 99-yard fumble return for another score. They’re looking better every week with the win against Coatesville in the opener and now a road win against struggling Bishop McDevitt (2-2). Tough times for McDevitt in their new digs with losses to Harrisburg 34-0 and now CV. 49-23. They’re home this week to hapless Chambersburg (0-3) who forfeited last week’s game to Red Lion.

    3 Pittsburgh Central Catholic 3-1, D7; Make that 3 in a row since the disaster in Erie with last week’s 42-14 throttling of Hempfield at beautiful Spartan Stadium. The Spartans are an extremely young group (inexperienced OL, soph Qb) playing without their starting quarterback Justin Sliwoski while starting sophomore Blake Remeley in his place. Sophomore starting quarterbacks in 6A! But it was still an impressive win where Central Catholic got it going offensively, particularly with Qb Troy Fisher completing 15 of 23 for 234 yards and 3 touchdowns. Their average score in games played since the Cathedral loss is 32-7. Seneca Valley is next, a 2-1 team they routed last year 42-14.

    4 State College 3-0, D6; State High is looking real good against a real weak schedule blasting McCaskey 45-12, Hollidaysburg 55-27 and Mifflin County’s Huskies last week 56-7. But they are playing a lot of people and getting a rhythm for the coming Mid Penn wars. This one was no contest, building a 49-0 half time lead then coasting, holding Mifflin County to 109 yards rushing and 73 through the air. They had 4 rushing Tds, 2 touchdown tosses, one by Qb Tommy Friberg, another by tailback Triston Lyons….a pick returned 44-yards for a score plus a fumble in the end zone for another 6. Always a good sign doing what’s expected of you against a weaker opponent. They come to the Harrisburg area Friday to play Mechanicsburg’s other team, the Mechanicsburg Wildcats, getting a taste of the area before a return trip to Mechanicsburg to play Cumberland Valley 2 weeks later.

    5 Bethel Park 3-0, D7; What’s with the schedule maker giving the Black Hawks’ crossover games with North Allegheny and Central Catholic? After slamming Norwin 27-7 while holding them to 16 rush yards plus the season opening 35-15 win against North Allegheny and Pine Richland coming in Friday, we’ll see if they’re up to the task. They were last year in Gibsonia losing a tough one 31-24 then again in Districts, 35-32. Bethel’s pounding methodical offense (232 rushing vs Norwin) may give the Rams fits as the O-Line is veteran, large and physical, with a supporting defensive cast (16 rush yds for Norwin) that is under rated, allowing but 29 points. And it’s the right offense to slow the Rams down if they can prevent a runaway 14-0 1st quarter, putting them in a hole. About Bethel’s D, maybe it’s time for young talent like sophomore DE Aaron Beatty (6-4, 210) to get some props! He’s one of the unsung heroes of the team that will get some needed recognition if they come away with the win. There’s a lot of good football played in the South Hills.

    6 Central Dauphin 2-1, D3; Last week’s win against Wilson at Wilson may be just the tonic that pulls this young team together. That and Qb Brady Straub performing like the quarterback Coach McNamee needs for his system to fire on all cylinders. Straub went a blistering 12 of 18 for 248 yards while the D did what the Ram D often does in shutting the Bulldogs down to 49 yards rushing in a 28-20 win. 49 yards! Carlisle’s undefeated Thundering Herd are next coming to Landis off a weak schedule. But in a tight Mid Penn race in the most competitive Big School conference (top to bottom) in the state….Central Dauphin 2-1, Harrisburg 4-0, Cumberland Valley 3-0, CD East 3-0 and State College 3-0….you can’t afford a slip up with Carlisle 3-0 sandwiched between Wilson and Cumberland Valley. Having said that, CD should crush these guys.

    7 Mt Lebanon 3-1, D7; Mt. Lebanon survived a real scare from Canon McMillan but hung on to edge the Big Macs 24-17. Canon McMillan had no answer for Aiden Cain who caught 9 passes for 214 yards. Running back Antonio LaSoto had a strong outing as well rushing for 115 yards. Have to mention C-Mac’s rising sophomore Qb Tre Lewis (6-2, 180) who completed 20 of 28 passes for 258 yards. Like we said last week, they have some people that can hurt you and will score points. Still, it was a nice road win for Lebo who should move to 4-1 with a win at Altoona this week. After that comes a great inter-conference matchup with North Allegheny.

    8 Manheim Township 2-1, D3; Township plummeted in the rankings from 4th to 8th after getting manhandled by Governor Mifflin 49-14, at home! This comes on the heels of Mifflin getting pounded themselves by undefeated 5A Cocalico the week before, 42-21. No shame ever losing to one of central PA’s top programs, but a 49-14 drubbing speaks to other issues (no injuries), possibly an inflated ego routing South Western 42-0 the week before after the big win against Central Dauphin in the opener. At any rate, Governor Mifflin’s Mustangs pounded them, rolling up a 424 to 142 total yardage advantage with their big back Isaac Ruoss (6-1, 215, sr) running roughshod for 282 yards on 32 carries. Quite a stud. The big question is will they bounce back? Hempfield’s 2-1 Black Knights, down the road in Landisville are no one to mess with, so we’ll know something about their character after this one. District-3 football is a study in parity this year with Central Dauphin, Manheim, and Wilson learning that the last few weeks.

    9 Wilson 1-2, D3; You don’t often see Wilson at 1-2 but that’ll happen with a demanding schedule of Governor Mifflin, Spring Ford and Central Dauphin along with 7 and 8-pt losses. That tough slate will set them up for a run at their 10th straight LL-Section One title, beginning this week at home. There is not a lot to say about last week’s 28-20 loss to Central Dauphin with the maturation of Ram’s Qb Brady Straub mentioned above coupled with their defense in beast mode, holding them to 49 yards rushing. But give them credit coming back from a 28-6 deficit in the 3rd quarter. The next opponent is Warwick (2-1). They are a 35-27 loss to undefeated 5A muscle team Manheim Central from being undefeated, and they kept it close last year against Wilson losing 14-10. The Warriors are still the Warriors, wanting to beat you down with a big line and decent D. Their Qb this year is Grayson Kline, 6-5 225 pound senior who can fling it. This is a dangerous veteran team where Wilson can lose so expect them to come out on fire, pulling out all the stops to prevent a 1-3 start. Hard embracing Wilson after two losses but there are still a lot of good parts and strong history with this team.

    10 North Allegheny 2-2, D7; This was a tough decision whether to put North Allegheny in the 10 spot, Central Dauphin East, Erie High or Warwick. Everyone knew North Allegheny would rout Shaler but it was still a great confidence builder after the 14-7 loss to Central Catholic the week before. 55-7 feel goods! Plus it snapped a 2 game losing streak and allowed the offense to get in gear following the 14-7 knockdown, drag-out affair with the Vikings. Racking up 410 total yards of offense is impressive against anyone. So is the 126 yards allowed. That should set them up well for consecutive road trips to Butler and Mt. Lebanon. If Butler’s first 3 games are any indication, they won’t offer much, having allowed 117 points through 3 games.
     
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    Peters Township 3-1, D7; PT 3 and 1? Yikes! Home to Hempfield in a good one.

    Penn Hills 3-1, D7; Blown out at Pine Richland (was there ever any doubt) with Shaler to feel the wrath.

    Williamsport 3-1, D4: Valley West got em 48-34 but big rebound for Millionaires at home to Shikellamy.

    Norwin 2-2, D7; Lost to Bethel, home to C-Mac.

    Canon McMillan 2-2, D7; Nice try…24-17 loss to Lebo, but can snag a win at Norwin if they can get it up again.

    Warwick 3-0, D3; Like undefeated TCU, San Diego St and South Florida, no one is giving them any respect despite averaging 52ppg.

    Central Dauphin East 3-0, D3; East High at 3-0 is enough to get Harrisburg’s attention and that spells trouble. Nice rivalry anyway with Panthers keeping it respectable?

    Red Lion 3-0, D3; Got a forfeit last week but not a good thing sitting with always quick York High Bearcats (3-0, 5A) coming to town loaded with a pile of transfers from York Tech, Eastern York and Dallastown, fresh off a 48-28 upset of Cedar Cliff!

    Carlisle 3-0, D3; 3-0 verses weak teams with a wake-up call at CD Friday night.

    Erie High 3-1, D10; Their only loss is Cathedral Prep 38-0 bur Prep is kicking everyone’s butt. Otherwise, winning all games by an average score of 44-5. Quick D and skill says they replace McDowell out of D-10 this year.

    Delaware Valley 4-0, D2; 4-0 with 3 road trips (one to Florida) verses more than capable North Pocono (3-1) next. Warriors and Trojans!

    Scranton 4-0, D2; Sneaky good with a veteran team averaging 40ppg. Beating North Pocono 42-35 a good indicator of progress (4-7 last year) with 18 starters back. Big rivalry game with West Scranton next.
     
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    Nice! Looks like the West has some strong teams to contend in 5A. Does anyone stand a chance against Pine-Richland in 6A?
     
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    In the WPIAL think both PCC and NA could give PR a game because they will be able to run the ball a little to keep P-R's offense off the field. They will have to minimize turnovers and three and outs. I think PCC's defense is still quite good. NA is a little hard to read - they have two games left - Mt. Lebanon and P-R. Lebo next week. That will tell us more about their defense. If they can contain Lebo's pass game, it bodes better for them vs. P-R.

    The big factor in P-R's favor is that they are beating people easily, even without Kenny White. I would think both sides of the ball will be more explosive when he returns.
     
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    Central's ground game pales in comparison to last year's attack. They've lost their 2 best RB's due to injury (ACL and broken ankle). I believe they'll make another change in order to get more consistency. But both remaining kids are good backs but not great. Central now depends on Troy Fisher to run the ball and to get the ball to their stable of fast receivers. Their defense seems quite good with an excellent secondary and a great pass rush. Special teams are good.

    Oh and I think NA has a pretty good defense.
     
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    So guys, none of you like Bethel? Something like a NA clone with a better OL, backs and D. Nothing lacking in their head coach either. I like BP to at least make a game of it. Surprised no one is mentioning them here.
     
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    I posted about them in the other thread, but I think they will give a game with pretty much everything you said. The issue is, to beat PR you have to be able to score a lot of points, and Bethels offense isn't built to do that. Also, people are underrating PR's defense especially after the lebo game, their front 7 is no joke led by LB's Tyler king and Anthony cerminara. I don't think bethel has attempted even ten passes this year, if they get down by even two scores, it could get ugly. From what I've seen they got a brand new QB and receivers. PR has a very experienced secondary, if they stack the box and force bethel to pass I think the matchups outside favor PR. Bethel is going to have to score at least 30+ to win, there offense can play ball control and keep PR off the field but they need to score, I don't think there defense is quite good enough to keep PR below what they're averaging which is 40+ per game.

    Regarding Kenny white, I'm told he's out of the knee brace and will be cleared next week to play against PCC. Friend of mine who's kid plays was at practice and saw him running around on the sideline.

    Regarding PCC defense I think theyre very underrated this year, their D line is very good. The one that stands out and concerns me heading into next week is DE Brian Dallas. I think he already has over ten sacks on the season, on film he looks borderline unblockable. Add that with David green playing DT now and some decent LB's and expierenced secondary it's a good setup to slow PR down next week. They are going to have to try to hit a lot of short and medium stuff next week or else they're gonna stall against PCC defense, they've been going deep way to much and if they try that they won't get a rythm. PR has a very good o line this year so it will be a interesting matchup.
     
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    Although its very early,it appears that it Pine -Richland and St Joe Prep are headed for a rematch in the championship game.
     
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    I think a lot of people like Bethel and it looks to be one of their better teams in the past few years. I think the doubt comes in if they can hold down PR and more or less score every possession themselves. If NA or PCC would have any signature wins, then it would be easier to tell if the NA blowout was against a good NA team, or not.
     
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    This NA team has some good lines and solid skill players, very mediocre QB play imo but they don't throw much anyways. I think that's why bethel dominating them was so surprising since NA supposedly has a bunch of good linemen on both sides of the ball. Then add in the transfers they got (it was 8 or 9 I believe, wasn't just the NC kids either one of their starting WR is an out of state move in) and I think they are underachieving this year. You can't expect to beat PCC with 7 passing yards even though they almost pulled it off. I feel like after the 2012 state championship they've been described as being "down" every year since, then last year closest they get to sniffing another wpial championship they lose on a blocked extra point to a team they mercy ruled not even 5 games prior.
     
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    I hope !
     
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    Is it time we stop with the east-west concept? Delaware Valley HS in Milford lies on the the shores of the Delaware River in NE PA. There may be a couple schools in the entire state that are more geographically east than DV out of 567 schools. DV and District 2 are on the "left" side of the bracket.

    In basketball we've seen an all SE PA final many times.
     
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    Nice sprinkling of D3 in that mix.
     
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    A little late on this, sorry.

    Relayer;


    Good hoops eg seeing all SE PA finals. A playoff should be about the best playing the best without the qualifier. Get rid of the classes, put em all in a hat and draw names. They’ll sort it out on the field.


    PA2CA;

    We have a few teams councelor but 3 is thin this year. Wilson disappointments with that backfield, CD is young with Manheim Twp tripping last week vs Gov Mifflin. But Cumberland Valley, Harrisburg and State College are legit.


    JACKY6996, new2pa, pcc64;

    Always good hearing from you guys and thanks for the detail of your views and insight. About PR-BP, I guess the question with BP’s limited pass attack is will they be able to run the ball. I think they will with that line their backs and what I feel is an underated defense. Maybe I’m keying off PCC-NA too much. No horse in the race but like their chances.


    Lilromeo;

    Lil, it isn’t that early, almost ½ done. Pine Richland and SJP sound good if Hawks get past LaSalle. And who knows what comes out of 10 but you know it’ll be good; Parkland, Emmaus? Coatesville would have to improve a lot to change my miond after seeing them at Cumberland Valley a few weeeks ago. Cumberland Valley was motoring like the old USC teams, student body right, student body left, mostly left…all night.


    not_a_fan;

    Right, does anyone stand a chance against Pine Richland especially with their defense coming together? Wow! Bethel and others will tell us something.
     
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    I haven't seen BP. What I know is that they are always very well coached. Any superior team that goes up against them will be in for a fight. I expect the same tonight but Pine is extremely explosive, hard to keep up with the typical scoring onslought.
     

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