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Maybe a bit of discussion about the game that will happen rather than the coaching change that won't would be of interest.

Too bad Waller is hurt, but SJP should still be able to score lots of points. The question is whether LaSalle can put up enough points to stay close and possibly win. One of the biggest plays in the last game was SJP stopping LaSalle near the goal line in the first quarter. Then and throughout the rest of the first half, the LaSalle offense had a hard time making big plays. Johnson was leading the SJP defense. In the second half, after Johnson left because of an injury, LaSalle (Madden in particular) mode several big plays. Of course by that time the Prep had already scored five TDs. Is Johnson likely to play this week?
 
I'm hearing the opposite. Not that it will matter..
I'm not saying it will matter nearly as much as if Swiift or McCray couldn't play, but, as you know, Johnson is very important to the defense. I expect a closer game than the first one, with the Prep winning by 14-17 points.
 
Finding patsy at PIAA's party
CATHOLIC LEAGUE WILL JOIN PUB IN DISTRICT 12 COMPETITION IN '08

AND, SO, WE have come full circle.
Almost 27 years after thumbing its nose at the Public League by refusing to allow its girls' champions to participate in City Title events, thus killing the tradition-steeped boys' series that lasted four-plus decades and over time encompassed all sports, the Catholic League has come crawling back, making all nice.
Assuming no snags with approvals expected to be of the rubber-stamp variety, and also assuming that fully privates La Salle and St.
Joseph's Prep remain in the fold, District 12 of the PIAA will include the Pub and Cath for the 2008-09 school year.
Those CL folks know a patsy when they see one.
It was the Pub, despite great internal uproar that to a large degree remains in place, that went to all the trouble of altering its entire existence to join the PIAA in September 2004 (after 1 year as a paper-only member).
And now, incredibly, it's the Cath that will benefit, after needing only to step lightly around assorted rubble.
Has anyone been paying attention? Has anyone noticed that since becoming eligible to compete for state titles, PL reps in team sports aside from basketball (boys' version only) have become almost completely accustomed to losing and even getting trounced?
Yes, CL officials did. Knowing their sports programs are stronger almost across the board, they have plotted to enter the PIAA through District 12 even though, a generation ago, they wanted to create as much distance as possible between their league and that league.
Can't you just hear what went on in the recent Archdiocese-sponsored committee meetings?
"The Pub is weaker than ever. All those charter and special schools. The talent is so diluted. If we go into District 1, we'll have to fight against so many quality schools."
"Yeah, let's talk District 12 into taking us. We'll be stronger pretty much across the board. Maybe they'll even take our suburban schools."
"Man, are they that naïve? Think they'll do that? That'd be heaven."
All along, the officers in the PL's sports administration group, and their bosses, have insisted the go-PIAA move made sense because benefits can be derived simply from competing. And from helping their athletes realize there's a big, wide state out there.
Agreed. Competition does make the world go 'round. And a kid from North Philly does need to realize "suburbs" does not mean West Philly.
It's just that now there's a legitimate fear: How many Pub teams will actually storm forward out of District 12 and get to experiencethe assorted niceties?
Again and again recently, Pub coaches and athletic directors have asked me, "Why are we committing suicide?"
So as yesterday's lengthy news conference, held in the School District Administration Building, wound down, that question was posed to the top two officers in PL sports administration, Marjorie Wuestner and Robert Coleman (he doubles as the District 12 chairman).
"I don't believe that. I truly don't believe that," Wuestner said. "Competition is great."
Coleman then began talking about the poor attendance by localites at the recent Frankford-Liberty Class AAAA state playoff and how much better a City Title showdown would fare at the gate, keeping revenues in the city.
He was sounding like a guy who now believes a City Title is more important than a state championship.
"He's not saying that," Wuestner quickly chimed in. "He's saying it's an important game."
Wuestner then added PL sports will be lifted across the board because the middle-school programs are improving. She said those programs are not in financial danger "because we won't allow that to happen."
Here's something else the Pub should not tolerate: the stealing of its athletes.
When an athlete transfers to a new school, unless he has been tossed for grades or behavior, his old and new principal must sign papers contending the move was not made for athletic purposes.
How many of you are laughing? Sure, non-athletes transfer all the time from Pub to Cath schools in 10th, 11th or even 12th grade (wink, wink).
Once CL members become part of the District 12 committee, and assuming the PL folks show spine, those eligibility hearings could make for a great reality show.
(Meanwhile, the Pub will need to do a much better job of making sure its own house is in order when it comes to transfer paperwork. It now enjoys living in a vacuum. Not so when it joins with the CL. In Pub football and basketball, I'm guessing there are at least 100 transfers in action this year. A PIAA bigwig could have all kinds of fun trying to determine how many times people bothered with the
paperwork. Or even know they're supposed to do it.)
Bishop Joseph McFadden, who oversees education in the Archdiocese (and is a longtime proponent of getting the CL into the PIAA), said "the moment is now" when asked to describe why this move finally took place. He added, "We're looking to an exciting and enriching future."
Wuestner said to the audience, "We will not shy away in any way. Raise the bar, and get better."
On overall matters, Brad Cashman, PIAA executive director, said he envisions the PIAA adding another big-school classification for football playoffs and perhaps more all-sports, state-tournament entrants from District 12 because of its increased size; he can't picture a separation of public and non-public schools for state tourney purposes; CL schools, like those in the PL, will be unable to play against fifth-year athletes (that could force the Inter-Ac's join-the-PIAA hand); high schools are allowed to "athletically recruit" only at predetermined feeder schools; and principals are solely responsible for making sure all athletes are eligible and have not received athletic scholarships.
McFadden insisted CL personnel are prohibited from recruiting athletes and those who do so "put their jobs on the line." He added, "Money is not to be given to come play athletics."
Guffaw time again. Some athletes pay little or nothing. Their tuition is covered by "sponsors." Some folks who donate money for memorial scholarships stipulate that the money can go, for instance, only to a football player.
On a broader scale, parents of eighth-graders have become adept at pitting one school against another. "Yo, they're giving us $1,000 off the tuition. Make it $1,500 and I'll go to your place."
McFadden said he was not in favor of open enrollment, which went into full effect for the 1993-94 school year and helped lead to this insanity. "But that's where we are," he said. "There's no going back on that."
How this move will affect individual CL sports is murky. In football, a playoff round and occasional Thanksgiving meetings might have to go. In basketball, the regular season will end much earlier and participation for top-line teams in the prestigious Alhambra tournament
will terminate. Generally, game limits in all sports will be lower.
So much to do. About 20 months to work with.
Pub people? They can hope that, if this was a suicide, it was only a take-pills version. And that the stomach-pumping will be successful.
 
I'm not saying it will matter nearly as much as if Swiift or McCray couldn't play, but, as you know, Johnson is very important to the defense. I expect a closer game than the first one, with the Prep winning by 14-17 points.

31-30 La Salle. But when I wake up from the dream it's St. Joe 42-24. Good luck to all the players!!
 
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How was SJP's recruiting class this year?
Pretty good actually. Looks like these type of comments will be
Finding patsy at PIAA's party
CATHOLIC LEAGUE WILL JOIN PUB IN DISTRICT 12 COMPETITION IN '08

AND, SO, WE have come full circle.
Almost 27 years after thumbing its nose at the Public League by refusing to allow its girls' champions to participate in City Title events, thus killing the tradition-steeped boys' series that lasted four-plus decades and over time encompassed all sports, the Catholic League has come crawling back, making all nice.
Assuming no snags with approvals expected to be of the rubber-stamp variety, and also assuming that fully privates La Salle and St.
Joseph's Prep remain in the fold, District 12 of the PIAA will include the Pub and Cath for the 2008-09 school year.
Those CL folks know a patsy when they see one.
It was the Pub, despite great internal uproar that to a large degree remains in place, that went to all the trouble of altering its entire existence to join the PIAA in September 2004 (after 1 year as a paper-only member).
And now, incredibly, it's the Cath that will benefit, after needing only to step lightly around assorted rubble.
Has anyone been paying attention? Has anyone noticed that since becoming eligible to compete for state titles, PL reps in team sports aside from basketball (boys' version only) have become almost completely accustomed to losing and even getting trounced?
Yes, CL officials did. Knowing their sports programs are stronger almost across the board, they have plotted to enter the PIAA through District 12 even though, a generation ago, they wanted to create as much distance as possible between their league and that league.
Can't you just hear what went on in the recent Archdiocese-sponsored committee meetings?
"The Pub is weaker than ever. All those charter and special schools. The talent is so diluted. If we go into District 1, we'll have to fight against so many quality schools."
"Yeah, let's talk District 12 into taking us. We'll be stronger pretty much across the board. Maybe they'll even take our suburban schools."
"Man, are they that naïve? Think they'll do that? That'd be heaven."
All along, the officers in the PL's sports administration group, and their bosses, have insisted the go-PIAA move made sense because benefits can be derived simply from competing. And from helping their athletes realize there's a big, wide state out there.
Agreed. Competition does make the world go 'round. And a kid from North Philly does need to realize "suburbs" does not mean West Philly.
It's just that now there's a legitimate fear: How many Pub teams will actually storm forward out of District 12 and get to experiencethe assorted niceties?
Again and again recently, Pub coaches and athletic directors have asked me, "Why are we committing suicide?"
So as yesterday's lengthy news conference, held in the School District Administration Building, wound down, that question was posed to the top two officers in PL sports administration, Marjorie Wuestner and Robert Coleman (he doubles as the District 12 chairman).
"I don't believe that. I truly don't believe that," Wuestner said. "Competition is great."
Coleman then began talking about the poor attendance by localites at the recent Frankford-Liberty Class AAAA state playoff and how much better a City Title showdown would fare at the gate, keeping revenues in the city.
He was sounding like a guy who now believes a City Title is more important than a state championship.
"He's not saying that," Wuestner quickly chimed in. "He's saying it's an important game."
Wuestner then added PL sports will be lifted across the board because the middle-school programs are improving. She said those programs are not in financial danger "because we won't allow that to happen."
Here's something else the Pub should not tolerate: the stealing of its athletes.
When an athlete transfers to a new school, unless he has been tossed for grades or behavior, his old and new principal must sign papers contending the move was not made for athletic purposes.
How many of you are laughing? Sure, non-athletes transfer all the time from Pub to Cath schools in 10th, 11th or even 12th grade (wink, wink).
Once CL members become part of the District 12 committee, and assuming the PL folks show spine, those eligibility hearings could make for a great reality show.
(Meanwhile, the Pub will need to do a much better job of making sure its own house is in order when it comes to transfer paperwork. It now enjoys living in a vacuum. Not so when it joins with the CL. In Pub football and basketball, I'm guessing there are at least 100 transfers in action this year. A PIAA bigwig could have all kinds of fun trying to determine how many times people bothered with the
paperwork. Or even know they're supposed to do it.)
Bishop Joseph McFadden, who oversees education in the Archdiocese (and is a longtime proponent of getting the CL into the PIAA), said "the moment is now" when asked to describe why this move finally took place. He added, "We're looking to an exciting and enriching future."
Wuestner said to the audience, "We will not shy away in any way. Raise the bar, and get better."
On overall matters, Brad Cashman, PIAA executive director, said he envisions the PIAA adding another big-school classification for football playoffs and perhaps more all-sports, state-tournament entrants from District 12 because of its increased size; he can't picture a separation of public and non-public schools for state tourney purposes; CL schools, like those in the PL, will be unable to play against fifth-year athletes (that could force the Inter-Ac's join-the-PIAA hand); high schools are allowed to "athletically recruit" only at predetermined feeder schools; and principals are solely responsible for making sure all athletes are eligible and have not received athletic scholarships.
McFadden insisted CL personnel are prohibited from recruiting athletes and those who do so "put their jobs on the line." He added, "Money is not to be given to come play athletics."
Guffaw time again. Some athletes pay little or nothing. Their tuition is covered by "sponsors." Some folks who donate money for memorial scholarships stipulate that the money can go, for instance, only to a football player.
On a broader scale, parents of eighth-graders have become adept at pitting one school against another. "Yo, they're giving us $1,000 off the tuition. Make it $1,500 and I'll go to your place."
McFadden said he was not in favor of open enrollment, which went into full effect for the 1993-94 school year and helped lead to this insanity. "But that's where we are," he said. "There's no going back on that."
How this move will affect individual CL sports is murky. In football, a playoff round and occasional Thanksgiving meetings might have to go. In basketball, the regular season will end much earlier and participation for top-line teams in the prestigious Alhambra tournament
will terminate. Generally, game limits in all sports will be lower.
So much to do. About 20 months to work with.
Pub people? They can hope that, if this was a suicide, it was only a take-pills version. And that the stomach-pumping will be successful.

YAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
 
I'm hearing he'll be suited, ready to play. I'm sure they will be cautious, as long as Infante is comfortable, he won't see the field.

Johnson is their best LB, no doubt. However they are very deep at that position. What do they gain by putting a 50% Johnson out there over another LB who is at 100%?
 
Incredible how we continue to parse the minutiae of prep and lasalle when there is so much other great football on tap.
 
what would happen if prep or lasalle were to lose the regional final... as far as match ups.. I don't know but replaying a game that ended 65-35.. sounds like a real barn burner to me
 
Thanks Paul, that's why I said it. I would say the first matchup between these two wasn't much of a classic , ie 30 point prep win. I would suggest Ridley/Coatesville, D East/ Perk valley and NP/Springford are all better games.
 
Roxy, there seems to be a mini-epidemic of people who think they're being really clever when they ask a question that is just a way of saying they object to the PCL and maybe the PPL too being in the PIAA
Thanks Paul, that's why I said it. I would say the first matchup between these two wasn't much of a classic , ie 30 point prep win. I would suggest Ridley/Coatesville, D East/ Perk valley and NP/Springford are all better games.
They may be better games this year, but you have to say that in the light of the history of the past decade or so between the Prep and LaSalle (including three times when the results of the first meeting of the year were dramatically reversed in the second) there is reason to think this game is so easily predicted.
 
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I'm hoping for a good game. Prep beat LaSalle 49-24 last year in the regular season only to be upset 29-28 in the game that mattered most.
 
Thanks Paul, that's why I said it. I would say the first matchup between these two wasn't much of a classic , ie 30 point prep win. I would suggest Ridley/Coatesville, D East/ Perk valley and NP/Springford are all better games.

Then go ahead and start a thread dealing with those games. But it really is senseless to come on a thread titled "SJP La Salle" and complain that all people can talk about is SJP La Salle. Just type up a new thread entitled Ridley/Coatesville and have at it!!

By the way, the history of this board is that when La Salle or Prep is mentioned, the views and replies go through the roof. Just sayin'.
 
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Did start one earlier in the week, titled np/ springford, but since everyone has blinders on except for prep and LaSalle that is why I posted on this thread. As they say opinions are like .... don't think my post was senseless. But thanks for your opinion.
 
Then go ahead and start a thread dealing with those games. But it really is senseless to come on a thread titled "SJP La Salle" and complain that all people can talk about is SJP La Salle. Just type up a new thread entitled Ridley/Coatesville and have at it!!

By the way, the history of this board is that when La Salle or Prep is mentioned, the views and replies go through the roof. Just sayin'.
with most of the reply's being about recruiting ...just sayin
 
Then go ahead and start a thread dealing with those games. But it really is senseless to come on a thread titled "SJP La Salle" and complain that all people can talk about is SJP La Salle. Just type up a new thread entitled Ridley/Coatesville and have at it!!

By the way, the history of this board is that when La Salle or Prep is mentioned, the views and replies go through the roof. Just sayin'.
Paul, What happened to JBIN and FB25?
 
Did start one earlier in the week, titled np/ springford, but since everyone has blinders on except for prep and LaSalle that is why I posted on this thread. As they say opinions are like .... don't think my post was senseless. But thanks for your opinion.

I looked up your post about NP/Springfield. 6 people replied. Must be a hellava game coming. No action so you take the conversation over to another entirely different thread to get some attention?? If not senseless, then a little "what about me" issue!!
 
Paul, What happened to JBIN and FB25?

Don't know. Maybe if they had kids there, they graduated. Maybe they saw the writing on the wall about how good Prep is! I only know a few of the La sale posters but never got to know those guys.
 
Joe, if you have such a problem with the system, send your concerns to the PIAA. Posting them here won't do a thing.

This thread is about the game, nothing else.

He has a point, no public school can compete with these schools. Its ridiculous..
 
I guess Parkland defeating LaSalle last year never happened.
And Parkland nearly beat SJP the year before, and both Frankford and Neshaminy nearly beat SJP in 2013, and Conestoga beat LaSalle in 2012, and North Penn beat LaSalle in 2011, and Northern Allegheny beat LaSalle in 2010.
 
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And Parkland nearly beat SJP the year before, and both Frankford and Neshaminy nearly beat SJP in 2013, and Conestoga beat LaSalle in 2012, and North Penn beat LaSalle in 2011, and Northern Allegheny beat LaSalle in 2010.

I know you meant Coatesville in 2012. Let's not forget GW in '08.
 
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Prep guys congrats on the W.. As much as I hate to say it.. Whoever you face from D1 you will crush.. Good luck for the remainder
 
I know you meant Coatesville in 2012. Let's not forget GW in '08.
Thanks for the correction, Relayer.

I made it down for tonight's game. You could say the Prep should have won by more but you could equally say LaSalle should have made it closer. Given the experiences of '06, '12, and '15, though, I don't think Prep guys will be too focused on the margin of victory. It's the victory that matters.

Swift looks like a man on a mission.
 
Hey Paul looks like we were both right. Prep/ LaSalle close at half, np only up 21-19 at the break. Two good hs games congrats to both teams. Possible classic set up at CRAWFORD stadium as coatesville is on a roll and np finally tested.
 
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