PIAA Looking Stupid

[tulla]

I'm thinking if the results in this year's playoffs had occurred a year earlier we wouldn't have this ridiculous plan to have six classes next year and beyond.

From all I heard and read last year the push to increase the number of classifications was clearly related to the Prep and Wood again winning state championships. The PIAA decided rather than to create separate classes for "non-publics" (which I think would have been a bad move) to go from four to six classes with the idea that this would be fairer to all--and probably result in more public schools winning state championships.

But UD's victory of North Penn (a much larger school, isn't it?) is another indication that the size of the school (in broad terms) makes less of a difference than people think. Of course there should be different classifications based on school size but the difference between very large and quite large or between small and a bit smaller doesn't merit the kind of fine dicing that having six classes will require especially since in the present situation schools (like WC and TEP) can "play up."

And Parkland's win over LaSalle just confirms what we knew last year--that the advantage "non-public" schools have in being able to recruit isn't one that makes it so very hard for a public school to beat them, that the advantage may not be as great as some think it is and that just maybe some public schools have advantages of their own.

Anyway, I can't imagine that six classifications will result in more interesting games next year.

 

[16th&Georgetown]

Like the fact that NP "recruited" wink-wink their QB this year. Hahaha, glad it blew up in their face. They all sneak and connive behind closed doors then cry about the PCL stealing their players. Beck is the biggest cry baby on the subject too. Gets blown out by lil ole Upper Dublin. Surprised he didn't complain about the LaSalle player that transferred to UD this season, or who knows maybe he did.

 

[ramgreen]

All good points Tulla and 16th. I'm shocked that there isn't more press on the Udinski kid transferring from Cb west to North Penn which is right next door yet all we ever hear is about the Catholic schools recruiting. Was at the UD - North Penn game and UD just was too fast on both sides of the ball for NP. Parkland vs UD is a match up that i didn't see coming but will enjoy

 

[ChesmontLeague1]

Milano at DWest is a biggest cry baby about Catholic School recruiting. Two of his best players Branden Meyers (has been living in Coatesville School District for over 2 years) and Braden Harper was a Shanahan kid. Pretty sure DWest would have a problem w PIAA. Point is it happens at both public and private.

 

[00shoe]

Agree, I think the PIAA should just end the controversy by letting kids transfer for athletics. If another school district will except and athlete outside their school district borders who is willing to pay, so be it. If schools want to keep their kids home upgrade the program.

 

[coverandmove1]

So much for the backroom deal with respect to qb for NP. What ever happened to the kid from last year(Qb). Tough way to lose your senior year of sports. Feel for him and his parents, must have been a tough year.

 

[00shoe]

I'm thinking if the results in this year's playoffs had occurred a year earlier we wouldn't have this ridiculous plan to have six classes next year and beyond.

From all I heard and read last year the push to increase the number of classifications was clearly related to the Prep and Wood again winning state championships. The PIAA decided rather than to create separate classes for "non-publics" (which I think would have been a bad move) to go from four to six classes with the idea that this would be fairer to all--and probably result in more public schools winning state championships.

But UD's victory of North Penn (a much larger school, isn't it?) is another indication that the size of the school (in broad terms) makes less of a difference than people think. Of course there should be different classifications based on school size but the difference between very large and quite large or between small and a bit smaller doesn't merit the kind of fine dicing that having six classes will require especially since in the present situation schools (like WC and TEP) can "play up."

And Parkland's win over LaSalle just confirms what we knew last year--that the advantage "non-public" schools have in being able to recruit isn't one that makes it so very hard for a public school to beat them, that the advantage may not be as great as some think it is and that just maybe some public schools have advantages of their own.

Anyway, I can't imagine that six classifications will result in more interesting games next year.

The increase in classifications is not about Prep or Wood. It's about the hundreds of small schools in this state that their only opportunity to win on the state level is basketball & football. Increasing to another classification improves their opportunities. There is a lot more to Penna. then SEPA, LV, Pitts.,Harris. Those areas represent about 10 counties out of Penna. 64. Public & private, are represented by around 1000 schools playing these sports. Quad A will still have the same teams.

 

[tulla]

The increase in classifications is not about Prep or Wood. It's about the hundreds of small schools in this state that their only opportunity to win on the state level is basketball & football. Increasing to another classification improves their opportunities. There is a lot more to Penna. then SEPA, LV, Pitts.,Harris. Those areas represent about 10 counties out of Penna. 64. Public & private, are represented by around 1000 schools playing these sports. Quad A will still have the same teams.

Not sure what you mean by "Quad A." Next year there will be 6A, 5A, 4A, etc. and much talk about whether the fine lines that separate them aren't fairly meaningless. As for the many very small schools scattered throughout the state, are you saying some schools now in 1A are much too big for some of other schools also in 1A? I'm curious.

 

[00shoe]

tulla, yes that is what i am saying. Upper Dublin has half the enrollment of NP, Penns, Nesh.. There are i think 44 schools in D1 that are quad A and UD is near the bottom like hatboro etc. in enrollment. If you look back at state champs from D1 except for C.B.west in1991 they are all large enrollment schools, NP,Downingtown, Coatesville, Nesh. District 11 it,s Parkland & Liberty, District 12 Prep,LaSalle. Increasing classifications just gives others a chance at getting a piece of the pie in football & basketball.

Next week UD will play Parkland another large enrollment school the gets 90-100 kids out for football.

 

[ptomaselli]

The increase in classifications is not about Prep or Wood. It's about the hundreds of small schools in this state that their only opportunity to win on the state level is basketball & football. Increasing to another classification improves their opportunities. There is a lot more to Penna. then SEPA, LV, Pitts.,Harris. Those areas represent about 10 counties out of Penna. 64. Public & private, are represented by around 1000 schools playing these sports. Quad A will still have the same teams.

And here I thought it was about adding 2 more playoff tiers to make more money. Silly me.

Of the 16 teams left this year in all 4 classes, 10 are public schools (11 if you count Imhotep). Classes 4A, 2A and A each have 3 public schools left in the final 4.

Where are all the crybabies about the unfair prep/Catholic advantage? I'll tell you where. Waiting until next year because other than eat, sleep, and reproduce, humans mainly complain.

I think this year, like every year, the playoffs have been exciting.

 

[UncleBuckSweep]

I recall hearing/reading six classifications will shorten the playoffs by one week and lessen the amount of kids missing the start of basketball and wrestling seasons. If correct, this will reduce the number of kids and schools affected by 1/2 for each round.
Those still playing football this weekend have missed the entire winter sports pre-season, along with the first game or two.
I have not seen anything showing what it will all look like and don't even know if it is true.

 

[IronMarshal]

I believe CB West was a very big school back in 91. I don't think CB South had opened yet

 

[Fletchster1]

I believe CB West was a very big school back in 91. I don't think CB South had opened yet

South wasn't around, but West wasn't that big when they were good. They were good due to coaching and the program, not huge numbers.

 

[Relayer]

South wasn't around, but West wasn't that big when they were good. They were good due to coaching and the program, not huge numbers.

CB-South played their first season in 2004.

CB-West was not a large high school back in the day. The population in Central Bucks exploded in the 90's. In 1991 the total enrollment was 11,000 students, it topped 19,000 by 2003. That's an incredible increase, no wonder they built a 5th middle school and a 3rd high school.

 

[SPEED&JUMP DR.]

PT: Just for argument sake, if you say IMHOTEP is a private school, they have 6 of the remaining 16 spots left or 37.5% of the spots. The overall makeup of the PIAA is significantly less than 37.5% of private to public which means that statistically the privates are far out performing the publics comes to football. And I think this anomaly has been pretty consistent the past 5 years or so.

 

[fbfan1225]

PT: Just for argument sake, if you say IMHOTEP is a private school, they have 6 of the remaining 16 spots left or 37.5% of the spots. The overall makeup of the PIAA is significantly less than 37.5% of private to public which means that statistically the privates are far out performing the publics comes to football. And I think this anomaly has been pretty consistent the past 5 years or so.

Speed Private schools are about 20% of the PIAA. Imhotep is considered a Public school in the PIAA numbers. If you include all sports then the Private spots drop below 20%. I know your focus will be Football and Basketball but there are other sports. Looking at other fall sports it looks like 2 if the top 20 cross country teams were Private and in AA and AAA boys soccer only 4 of the 32 teams in the bracket were Private and none made the semis. Per you statistically method I guess we need to fix both these sports so the Privates are better represented.

 

[00shoe]

CB-South played their first season in 2004.

CB-West was not a large high school back in the day. The population in Central Bucks exploded in the 90's. In 1991 the total enrollment was 11,000 students, it topped 19,000 by 2003. That's an incredible increase, no wonder they built a 5th middle school and a 3rd high school.

Relayer, you are correct. They had decreasing enrollment throughout the 80's closing one elementary school. In 1991 west had about 1150 students. Then the mass construction with growth peaking around 2010 at about 21,000 students making CB the 3rd largest school district in the state behind Phila. & Pitts. Enrollment since then has dropped about 10%.

 

[ptomaselli]

PT: Just for argument sake, if you say IMHOTEP is a private school, they have 6 of the remaining 16 spots left or 37.5% of the spots. The overall makeup of the PIAA is significantly less than 37.5% of private to public which means that statistically the privates are far out performing the publics comes to football. And I think this anomaly has been pretty consistent the past 5 years or so.

Imhotep's a public school technically...and outside Imhotep our numbers align.

Regarding 37.5%, I think your number is a bit high. I don't think you are taking all the sports into account.

 

[ptomaselli]

Speed Private schools are about 20% of the PIAA. Imhotep is considered a Public school in the PIAA numbers. If you include all sports then the Private spots drop below 20%. I know your focus will be Football and Basketball but there are other sports. Looking at other fall sports it looks like 2 if the top 20 cross country teams were Private and in AA and AAA boys soccer only 4 of the 32 teams in the bracket were Private and none made the semis. Per you statistically method I guess we need to fix both these sports so the Privates are better represented.

Duh (to me), I should have read the entire thread before posting my response. Thank you fbfan1225.

 

[tulla]

It may be worth considering if there's something other than their ability to accept and recruit students from larger geographic areas about Catholic schools--perhaps the fact that parents make a deliberate choice to send their child(ren) there and make a sacrifice (at least a financial one) to do so--that accounts for the fact that at least in some sports they generally do better than public schools in at least some sports.