This should be a very telling game for the Explorers. Pennsbury is returning most of their skill players and their offensive line and are projected to have a big year. La Salle beat North Penn last week but I don't know if they were a very good test. Friday Night Lights at PW!! See you at the Beef and Ale!!
La Salle-Pennsbury
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I like laSalle and may make the Game as well as the Beef and Ale.I was planning on a trip to Widener to watch West catholic ,but don't think that will happen. probably Wood on Saturday night also.
Sounds great, will be at Ye Olde Ale as well with several of the LS faithful.
Perhaps we can all meet, will yell out "jive turkey" as code? 1st round on me!!
Damn yesman, I rarely pass up a gathering at the Ye Ole Ale House. Already committed to DTW-Neshaminy. Perhaps down the road........
.........Tom Brislin......
Boy I sure am glad all the prognosticators from last year are considered wrong. Last spring after Gordon left, everyone thought La Salle was going into the dumpster. Someone even mentioned a three win season!! Now, they'll "thump" and "blow out" Pennsbury for their second win in two games!!
Just a few thoughts on Pennsbury.
The only returning starter in the backfield for the Falcons is the QB, and as was pointed out by wcburrs is that Snorweah (2000 yds and D1 Schollie) is one of the missing parts, their backfield cannot be expected to be as good as last year. Also, virtually the entire line is gone. The TE and the huge jr. lineman who played some as a soph are pretty much it. I believe they moved a DL to C. Pennsbury's offense is noticeably suspect compared to last year, especially considering that the coach is married to his wingT ground and pound, occassionally switching to an I. I doubt Snyder utilizes Alley's talent.
The defense remains a little smaller than the usual Pennsbury D but very fast and solid.
I did not see the CRSouth game, but based on what I have read, the game with CRSouth may not have been about Pennsbury not having their usual dominate ground game that can beat up smaller schools, as CRSouth is larger than usual and can hold its own on the line of scrimmage better than in the recent past. Also CRSouth plays a ground and pound wishbone and with a better bigger and more experienced line than the last few years, may have been able to control the line of scrimmage enough to get several nice time consuming drives. In other words, instead of CRSouth being a patsy on the schedule, they were more like a buzz saw. It may not have been a great matchup for the Falcons. It was probably a little of both, Pennsbury is not as good and is overrated on the PA Prep and Max Preps ranking (big surprise…not)and maybe CRSouth is better than expected.
I think LaSalle wins this game rather solidly (at least two TDs) based on their performance against North Penn, whom I think is better than Pennsbury.
The only returning starter in the backfield for the Falcons is the QB, and as was pointed out by wcburrs is that Snorweah (2000 yds and D1 Schollie) is one of the missing parts, their backfield cannot be expected to be as good as last year. Also, virtually the entire line is gone. The TE and the huge jr. lineman who played some as a soph are pretty much it. I believe they moved a DL to C. Pennsbury's offense is noticeably suspect compared to last year, especially considering that the coach is married to his wingT ground and pound, occassionally switching to an I. I doubt Snyder utilizes Alley's talent.
The defense remains a little smaller than the usual Pennsbury D but very fast and solid.
I did not see the CRSouth game, but based on what I have read, the game with CRSouth may not have been about Pennsbury not having their usual dominate ground game that can beat up smaller schools, as CRSouth is larger than usual and can hold its own on the line of scrimmage better than in the recent past. Also CRSouth plays a ground and pound wishbone and with a better bigger and more experienced line than the last few years, may have been able to control the line of scrimmage enough to get several nice time consuming drives. In other words, instead of CRSouth being a patsy on the schedule, they were more like a buzz saw. It may not have been a great matchup for the Falcons. It was probably a little of both, Pennsbury is not as good and is overrated on the PA Prep and Max Preps ranking (big surprise…not)and maybe CRSouth is better than expected.
I think LaSalle wins this game rather solidly (at least two TDs) based on their performance against North Penn, whom I think is better than Pennsbury.
LaSalle wins easy tonight! The two transfers paid major dividends last week and will continue to contribute. Madden is a good runner and Jones was all over field on defense. Offense is running under a new coordinator and were pretty good last week, they will only get better.
I don't know much about Pennsbury so I can't comment on tonight's game. I will say if you thought LS looked good last week I question if you are a parent (or former parent in some cases) or an educated football fan.
I called 3 wins and I'm sticking to it. 2-0 would be great until you look at the next 6 games.
I called 3 wins and I'm sticking to it. 2-0 would be great until you look at the next 6 games.
No educated football fan would say LaSalle will win only 1 more game. I'll repeat what I said the last time you posted this absurd prediction - I'll take the over on 3 wins for any size bet you want to make (I also said that LaSalle would get 2 wins out of the North Penn, Pennsbury & DeMatha games and that worked out pretty well). Their next 6 games include Malvern, McDonogh and Roman, with Judge after that. If you seriously believe they won't win 2 of those games, you're the same guy who calls WIP and proposes that the Phillies trade Ryan Howard for Mike Trout straight up.
Where were you clowns?? At YOAH last night, coded "jive turkey", no responders??
Back to game..
LS has a lot of offensive talent to go along with that line. Madden and Jones are dynamic, coupled with Rinella, Eubanks and Headon, they are not devoid of skill. Ferguson has the physical capabilities. The "problem" as I see it is the cohesion, precision and synchronicity are not evident in the offensive scheme AT THIS JUNCTURE. We probably(hope!) will need to give more time as we've been spoiled for the last 9 yrs. Upcoming slate doesn't allow for much experimentation. That game last night should have been 35-0, that's being generous to a very one dimensional PS squad.
Defensively, LS very solid vs. run happy PS whose passing schemes pre-date Rockne.
Tidbits...
Following a "forever" introduction, Pennsbury Band performed at half-time, outstanding!! Very impressed with the quality and crispness of their sound. IMO..
LS Pep band, still partial to live electrical instruments with full accompaniment, spoiled there too!!
Bill Bruford
Back to game..
LS has a lot of offensive talent to go along with that line. Madden and Jones are dynamic, coupled with Rinella, Eubanks and Headon, they are not devoid of skill. Ferguson has the physical capabilities. The "problem" as I see it is the cohesion, precision and synchronicity are not evident in the offensive scheme AT THIS JUNCTURE. We probably(hope!) will need to give more time as we've been spoiled for the last 9 yrs. Upcoming slate doesn't allow for much experimentation. That game last night should have been 35-0, that's being generous to a very one dimensional PS squad.
Defensively, LS very solid vs. run happy PS whose passing schemes pre-date Rockne.
Tidbits...
Following a "forever" introduction, Pennsbury Band performed at half-time, outstanding!! Very impressed with the quality and crispness of their sound. IMO..
LS Pep band, still partial to live electrical instruments with full accompaniment, spoiled there too!!
Bill Bruford
Socal, don't get so excited; I'm not sure Pennsbury could have scored if La Salle had their D stay on the sideline.
LS has beaten two squads with the most unimaginative offenses in the state; not to take away from the kids efforts but looking good against those offenses is pretty easy. The easy part is over now.
Next week will be a learning experience of the first degree; hoping the boys can hang in there but at any rate, they should hold their heads high one way or the other.
JB, not sure what happened last week, but North Penn's offense was imaginative last night. That QB is a good player. Very good ball skills, carries out fakes nicely, and was accurate. They spread the ball around. West is a hard runner and Isabella/Ostopowicz compliment him. Very impressed with Ricky Johns out wide and on defense. Not a typical NP team. I see them getting better as the year goes on and it wouldn't surprise me if they wound up in the D-1 4A final.
Yet somehow Pennsbury got to the PIAA semifinals last year with the 2nd most unimaginative offense in the state - the offense didn't change from last season, did it?
We can all agree that they will likely get pounded by DeMatha and will be big underdogs to SJP. My point is that comfortable wins vs. North Penn and Pennsbury, with a new head coach, new QB and new offensive coordinator, is not the mark of a team destined to win 3 games or less and given LaSalle's pedigree, they can't be written off against Malvern, Wood, McDonogh.
They will lose the next 5 gms and split with Roman and Judge which gets you to 3. Will need to get one in the playoffs to prove me wrong. If you all want to celebrate and tell me how wrong I was cause they get 4 wins I'm ok with that.
JS did what he usually does. He shut down two very one dimensional offenses and exposed how ineffective the "pre Rockne" (I like that) offenses are against good schemes. Let's see how this D fairs over the next 5 weeks and some VERY high powered offenses.
Yesman pointed out what I said after the two scrimmages regarding the offense. Those skill guys are good but even if the schemes get better the talent from the other teams will get MUCH better.
JS did what he usually does. He shut down two very one dimensional offenses and exposed how ineffective the "pre Rockne" (I like that) offenses are against good schemes. Let's see how this D fairs over the next 5 weeks and some VERY high powered offenses.
Yesman pointed out what I said after the two scrimmages regarding the offense. Those skill guys are good but even if the schemes get better the talent from the other teams will get MUCH better.
Socal, if you're impressed with Pennsbury; that makes one of us. Last season was last season; last night it was difficult to stay awake when they had the ball.
My point is don't get carried away with wins over NP and Pennsbury; it gets mucl tougher starting this week.
I'm a LS guy, I'm proud of how the kids have played so far and yes, I will be in MD next Friday. It just helps to keep things in their proper perspective.
Huck, the NP offense had a few new wrinkles but it still came down to West runs right, West runs left. Udinski has some talent but only in comparison to previous NP QBs; D1 recruiters will not be kicking in his door. I just think Beck and others like him are so predictable it makes game planning easier; perhaps they opened it up a bit more against the Burrs.
Murph,
Assuming team as is, you really think we'll split with Roman and Judge? Loses there would be an upset, No?
Murpman, way to back off your prediction. You said three wins but then added the caveat about if they win four you'd be OK with that. That is along the line of me saying the Phillies will win 90 games next year. If they do (which they won't) I'm a genius! If they don't, well I was just a real fan. When you make a prediction, don't backslide. Just comes off weak.
Huck,
Watched some of that game on replay today. I agree, had to keep looking at the TV screen making sure that was NP from Lansdale, PA!! Thought some MIT drop-out hacked into my TV..
I never said I was impressed by Pennsbury - I pointed out that the 2nd least imaginative offense in the state (according to murphman) was a PIAA semifinalist also.
I also never got carried away. If you read my posts here and on previous threads, I just said that a prediction for 3 win season was (and is) absurd and that you can't write off games vs. Malvern, Wood and McDonogh as automatic losses.
Finally, I said that they will likely lose to DeMatha and be big underdogs to SJP - I'm pretty sure that qualifies as perspective.
I thought you said earlier they would lose their next 6 games. Now it's only the next 5? Can't wait to see your next prediction.
LS defense is solid this year. Better than I've seen it in previous years. I agree with the previous statement that this game should have been 35-0. What kept if from being 35-0 was the OC in my opinion. As bad as his play calling was, PB's was worse....that's the only reason LS won! The LS offense has no rhythm or cohesiveness which is amazing for a team that has such depth of talent. BG would have spread the ball around on O leveraging talent and space to keep the opponent off-foot on D. Currently La Salle's O looks one dimensional at best.
La Salle's current OC is clearly out of his depth. He was a desperation pick as the other candidates declined or were already committed elsewhere. He will not be there next year.
La Salle's current OC is clearly out of his depth. He was a desperation pick as the other candidates declined or were already committed elsewhere. He will not be there next year.
Paul you moron, I simply described what they needed to do to get the 4th win. I said 3 wins and have not come off that stance. LP nailed it in his post above. He is spot on with every point he makes. I'm sure since since you have an axe to grind with the prior offensive staff (probably because your son wasn't good enough to get on the field a few years back) I'm sure you will disagree.
Socal, we clearly have different perspectives. Time will tell.
Socal, we clearly have different perspectives. Time will tell.
As I mentioned, we've been spoiled for the last nine years with respect to offense. Still think it will take more time to fully evaluate, unfortunately the schedule doesn't lend to much T&E. Let's see how it all plays out, the boys are bright and talented, we'll see how they pick it up. I'm sure JS will evaluate as the season progresses. I pray he gets the continual support from the LS hierarchy!!
Just stating what I read, you moron. I have no axe to grind. Where did I mention anything about the offense or the defense. Gordon was fantastic, without question. They don't win all those championships without him and his son. Seems you're the one with an axe to grind with the way they were let go and with the new hire. I only was talking about you and your prediction and it's just that when you say something and then back off of it, which you did, it comes off weak, very weak. Why is it if I disagree with you, it's because my son didn't get a participation award. Sort of elitist on your part. By the way, Ted Silary wrote an article about my son. I don't think he does that with bench riders. And no need for name calling Ahole!!
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La Salle fans should first take comfort that they defeated two Suburban 1 powers each by double digits.
That being said, I know that there's a general concern about the offensive production so far. Three times in recent La Salle history, the Blue and Gold turned to a "seasoned" offensive coordinator to assist in taking some really good teams to a higher level. That occurred in 1988 with Joe McNichol, in the mid-90's with Drew Gordon, and in the mid-2000's with Brett Gordon (Brett was "seasoned" by then counting his Villanova time, and time with his dad).
In the years from 2008 to 2014, the La Salle offense averaged 31.0 points per game, with incredible consistency, as the low average was 28.9 in 2013 and the high average was 32.6 in 2014. La Salle faithful have been spoiled recently by a high-octane offensive show.
It is impossible to replace Brett Gordon with another Brett Gordon, because "another Brett Gordon" would be taking a high-level college position. It is important that we all give the current OC some time to develop his brand of the offense. From our laymen point of view, we think it's simple: use the experienced offensive line, get the ball quickly into the hands of the many skilled position players, and keep the tempo up. Sounds easy to us, but I'm sure it's more difficult than we really know.
Again, wins over North Penn and Pennsbury each by double digits should be reasons for joy and not dismay.
The Wizard has spoken.
I can list about 25 QBs off the top of my head who were very good HS players and had no D1 coaches near their doors. A few of them played for LaSalle. Udinski has solid skills and I'll go out and say right now that as a senior he'll vie for a All-SE PA spot as a senior.
West running left and right had nothing to do with it. They were fine offensively for most part. Stopping NP was the problem. NP executed pretty well on this night when they weren't committing a penalty.,
Your time is up. As I and (many others) pointed out, your prediction was woefully wrong and an absurd attempt to grab attention.
Weren't you saying in another post how you would be the first to admit your error if proven wrong? We're still waiting.
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