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Kevin Cooney article on the PIAA going forward

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COONEY: PIAA looking at transfer rules, but that's not good enough

HERSHEY — The top three brackets had become a private school party – five private or charter schools in the PIAA’s largest classifications, all meeting at Hersheypark Stadium for the ultimate football weekend in Pennsylvania.

And yet, Robert Lombardi was in a pleasant mood on Friday night — wrapped in his PIAA parka and explaining that the new six classification format had worked perfectly for his organization. And he had the numbers to back up why this new reality wasn’t really all that bad or out of the norm.

“There are 49 teams that played in post-season play,” said Lombardi, the PIAA's Executive Director. “Only 11 of them were private schools. That’s 23 and a half percent and that’s close to our number of our actual membership. Now, did they win? Yes. That’s why they play the games. In another year, it could be zero or three or four. This year, it’s five out of 12 (finalist).”

In addition to those five private school finalists — which included four eventual state champions in St. Joseph’s Prep (Class 6A), Archbishop Wood (Class 5A), Eric Cathedral Prep (4A) and Bishop Guilfoyle (A) — there was charter school Class 4A finalist, Imhotep Charter.

But simple numbers don’t tell the story. Because the structure that is in place is doing one thing — creating resentment and hostility because of perceived inaction by Mechanicsburg about fixing things.

In essence, teams like Archbishop Wood and St. Joseph’s Prep are almost wearing the title of the “heel” from professional wrestling. Every year when they win, there are snickers and eye rolls from public school coaches, the media and a lot of outsiders who feel the system is slanted in their favor.

It isn’t fair to kids who have nothing to do with what's going on. It isn’t necessarily fair to coaches, either, who are trying to win football games. But these programs have been villainized — rightly or wrongly — because of their success and because they are in a system that right now doesn’t seem to address any complaints that may be valid.

“The only thing that I feel bad is if anyone tries to taint anything that these kids do,” Wood head coach Steve Devlin said after his team’s 37-10 win over Harrisburg on Friday. “They are great kids. They come, work hard and practice. At the end of the day, I love every one of them. They come back to this school and this program. These coaches have made an impact on these kids lives and that’s what I worry about. I don’t worry about the outside world — (but) I don’t want anyone to taint anything that these kids have done. I love them and they are great kids.”

Again, the kids are getting punished by this format. Not coaches and not administrators — it is kids who somehow have their accomplishments looked down upon because the rules structure and the lack of a public/private split.

Lombardi didn’t seem to think that the public/private issue is the biggest one facing the PIAA — instead pointing to the fact that the Executive Board has created a subcommittee to research a change in the transfer rules. Those rules could be something that is as simple as a 30- to 45-day waiting period for those who transfer in-season to deeper investigations for other potential transfers.

“They’ve been looking at tweaking that a little bit,” Lombardi said. “They have established a subcommittee that is looking at every transfer for this school year to see if there is a trend. Those are some uncharted waters that we’ve never been in and this is in response to the membership (asking us to make it) as equitable as possible.”

Lombardi was asked whether the transfer rule is a bigger problem to the PIAA than the public/private issue.

“It’s part of it,” Lombardi said. “There are more things that the board is telling us is being reported to them than there are inequities. We want to review all the transfers and we’re looking at bylaw changes that we’re going to discuss, starting in January. The other piece of that is public/private. Since ’72, the (state) legislature changed that. If the legislature is going to change it back, then so be it. But I don’t see the legislature getting involved in that kind of action.”

If change is going to happen, it isn’t coming from within the walls of Mechanicsburg. It will have to involve politicians — likely from the rural midstate regions — that will press legislatures to make a move. And that doesn’t appear likely at any point soon.

Which is a shame, because somewhere along the line programs became demonized, and the kids ended up suffering because of it.

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Great find Relayer, but I don't see anything happening other than transfers sitting the first month of football.
 
Absolutely ridiculous that people are more worried about kids transferring then the fact that 4/6 state champions are private schools, unless a public school team goes on a cinderella run and the private schools have a down year then public schools are really only playing for district titles knowing that once they get to states they have to face the likes of Prep, LaSalle, Wood, Imhotep, PCC,
The PIAA needs to fix this, private schools need to form their own league and have their own state playoff system where they play everyone including the Malverns, EAs, PC and Haverford, levels the playing field for all and gives the other private schools like the Inter-ac schools something to play for
 
NorthBroad....tons of people have opinions on this that have been stated here for years....years, many of which support your view. The topic has been beat to death is all. It's not about us being " more worried".
 
Dont expect the Inter-Ac league to join the PIAA any time soon. As much as we would all like to see it for football, doesn't make much sense to them or for the powers to be of that league. The Inter-Ac has its own rules and doesnt feel it needs PIAA officials to dictate to them policy. The only way PIAA may be able to force the IA hand is to make it extremely difficult for the Inter-Ac to schedule non league foes.
 
Absolutely ridiculous that people are more worried about kids transferring then the fact that 4/6 state champions are private schools, unless a public school team goes on a cinderella run and the private schools have a down year then public schools are really only playing for district titles knowing that once they get to states they have to face the likes of Prep, LaSalle, Wood, Imhotep, PCC,
The PIAA needs to fix this, private schools need to form their own league and have their own state playoff system where they play everyone including the Malverns, EAs, PC and Haverford, levels the playing field for all and gives the other private schools like the Inter-ac schools something to play for
It wasn't long ago(2008) when people wanted to state that the PIAA state champ was better than the PCL champion. It would be argued time and time again. Well now PCL is in the PIAA and look at the outcome.
 
The Pubs in D1/D11 don't need "Cinderella". They need 2 classes (Juniors and Seniors) combined that have good football players. Strength in numbers. It is cyclical in even the biggest Pub schools. The Coatesville team of 2012 may have been the best Coatesville team in 30 years. Neshaminy in 2013 was best since early 2000's. Parkland in 2015, best since the Austin Scott team. Upper DUblin last year was Senior laden. NP this year had a good Junior and strong Senior class. It can and will be done. It's just not every year for every team. All those teams were great HS football teams and the teams they beat were very good. Why does everyone focus on a one-game outcome? One team wins the state championship out of 96. I'm not suggesting a trophy for all... Far from it. But the last few standing out of D1 and the D11 champ are very good football teams. Enjoy the ride while it lasts... Congrats to the Prep.
 
I say make the state of PA open enrollment, you can go where ever you want. Now Pine Richland could get Woodland Hills and McKeesport kids, Thomas Jefferson could get Clairton kids, PennTrafford could get Jeannette kids ect ect ect . Open it up. I am also in favor especially out west for consolidation.
 
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I agree with Sammy.

I was in favor of the PCL coming in (still am); however, it does seem an imbalance exists at the very top level in the big classifications (pretty much the same out here in CA but there are some pretty good pubs - see Corona Centennial or Mission Viejo).

So easy fix is anybody can go anywhere. Course, the details of "that" need to be worked out and I'm sure they would be.

After all, if you have a talent (you're an athlete) and that might get you somewhere in life you should be able to maximize the possibility.

Then as some schools will provide that opportunity and others might not you go where you get the shot.

Times change; it's not the same "game" as '69 to '71 (my years). Seems we have to accept and adapt.
 
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PA. Open enrollment.
That might work if it wasn't for school taxes per district. Probably a financial nightmare.
Kid lives in cheap school tax district plays in expensive district. Ugh!
Make up the difference in payment??? Who would keep track and do the work on that mess?
School officials? PIAA? political leaders? God I hope not. Ha!

My real concern, with all that's going on in today's high school football, is kids not playing going forward.
I believe there is great value in young men playing football. Great life lessons etc. etc.
Super power programs crushing schools year in and out might result in fewer programs.
Football is expensive for schools. Equipment, insurance, staff etc. Having losing seasons year after year
after year might force administrators to give up the sport completely.

I am not a trophy for everyone kind of guy. One state did an interesting thing a few years back.
They took all the 3 A schools in the district and changed their schedule every year according to their record.
Say 30 schools. Three divisions! Best teams played the best, worst played the worst.
Kept kids playing. As schools got better and others worse they moved accordingly.
Not much chance in Pa. Too much work.

As a former coach, I learned over the years, as many other smart coaches usually always do.
When I had good players, I was a pretty good coach, when I had bad players, I sucked.
Just sayin
 
It wasn't long ago(2008) when people wanted to state that the PIAA state champ was better than the PCL champion. It would be argued time and time again. Well now PCL is in the PIAA and look at the outcome.

CYO: You should probably clarify the word "people". If memory serves me correctly, it was the then 4A guys (not all of them) on this board wanted to prove the pub big boys (4A) were better.
I believe someone on the board said there are only a few pub teams that can hang with prep, wood lasalle, etc. I tend to agree with this.

As a 3A guy, I had no comment with PCL joining. If Wood stays at 5A, they can walk to Hershey every year. I don't see any 5A pub team being competitive with them. At what point does Devlin say this isn't fun for the players anymore when there isn't any competition at the state level. We already know Devlin has gone outside the state to play teams and that's good for them.
 
Open enrollment sounds great, but I worry that people paying mortgages in good school districts might see their home values plummet.
 
Why not put the PCL in 2 groups for playoffs.

Ex: 6-4 classes play 6A and 3-1 play 3A.
 
I know this is a football forum... however, in public schools if you went to an open enrollment system you have to get past several issues, first you would have to include all school activities (all sports, band, academics etc) not just football

but in all honesty... I doubt open enrollment would ever I work in a public school system in PA.. the main reason being is each school districts tax base... I'm a public school grad.. however my wife is a catholic school grad... (married guys you know how this works... you can talk tough, say I'm the king of the castle... but we all know happy wife = happy life) ..so my kids go to catholic school.. it's our choice (as I have been told lol)..so for families that have kids in private school we pay school taxes and tuition..

The NP school district has affordable taxes compared to other school districts .. As a voter in the NP school district, if someone outside of the district wanted to send their kids to NP for what ever the reason and moved into the district.. I have no problem with that.. but if I had to pay an increase in school taxes to cover an influx of students I would vote against it..just plain economics..

If the state created a voucher system, where your school taxes would follow your student it would have to be able to be used for both public and private schools tuition... I doubt a voucher system would work because some school districts would run the risk of imploding ..

We have really beaten this issue to death (me included)... if the PIAA wanted to fix the issue they would.. for whatever reason they do not...they like to put up a good dog and pony show.. but unless schools start to pull out of the PIAA and form leagues similar to the inter-act they have no real reason to address it..
 
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