how legit are the best high school teams?

[BradlyPitt]

we all know the private schools have a big advantage, but what about the public schools?

when I say "legit" i mean how many of these schools are just using homegrown talent that have always lived in the district?

we see largely the same teams year after year winning or at least being in contention for championships, whether it's Southern Columbia or Thomas Jefferson or somebody like Pine Richland in recent years, is the coaching and program really that superior to everybody else or is recruiting common?

allegedly TJ's best prospect for next year still lives in Donora, which is a small town about 25 minute drive from TJ in the Ringgold School District, how do they get away with this?

 

[Stalker]

we all know the private schools have a big advantage, but what about the public schools?

when I say "legit" i mean how many of these schools are just using homegrown talent that have always lived in the district?

we see largely the same teams year after year winning or at least being in contention for championships, whether it's Southern Columbia or Thomas Jefferson or somebody like Pine Richland in recent years, is the coaching and program really that superior to everybody else or is recruiting common?

allegedly TJ's best prospect for next year still lives in Donora, which is a small town about 25 minute drive from TJ in the Ringgold School District, how do they get away with this?

Nearly all the power teams have or had steady long-term coaches and staff. Here's a few current egs from various classes; Central Dauphin, Southern Columbia, Exeter Twp, Berlin Brothersvalley, Wilson, Wyomissing, Thomas Jefferson, Lampeter Strasburg, Clairton, Harrisburg, North Schuylkill, wherever H. Fairclough coaches, etc, etc.
**** Coaching is clearly superior at some high schools just as it is at the college level. It's pretty obvious and often pronounced in my view seeing some of these teams, especially Central Valley, SCA, TJ, Lebo, Berlin, Wyo et al that they are head and shoulders ahead of other teams in almost all phases.

I won't get into "allegedly" on any player. When they know it's true, then it's a conversation.

 

[sammyk]

Look kids have been transferring for decades and the better teams will always get them

 

[Hausmann1978]

we all know the private schools have a big advantage, but what about the public schools?

when I say "legit" i mean how many of these schools are just using homegrown talent that have always lived in the district?

we see largely the same teams year after year winning or at least being in contention for championships, whether it's Southern Columbia or Thomas Jefferson or somebody like Pine Richland in recent years, is the coaching and program really that superior to everybody else or is recruiting common?

allegedly TJ's best prospect for next year still lives in Donora, which is a small town about 25 minute drive from TJ in the Ringgold School District, how do they get away with this?

It's because they are the biggest schools in their classification. Mount Lebanon is huge and southern Columbia has always been a giant 3A school that found a loop hole were the piaa didn't count thier votech students. Central valley was 1 student under from having to play 4A.

 

[RoverNation05]

Lehigh Valley has not had a huge transfer market of their football teams who have been consistently good. Parkland has had a big run in the last decade or so, they really benefitted on some people moving in from out of state (Andre and Kareem Williams from Georgia, DeVante across from North Carolina, Kenny Yeboah from Rhode Island) but I chalk that up to the advantage of being a high socioeconomic school with an attractive school district to move into if you’re coming from far away. The only transfer I specifically remember them having is Ja-Lon Perkins, now at Colgate, who was at Dieruff for his first two years, then came over.

Brian Taylor, the Freedom quarterback, sat out a lot of his junior year over an “eligibility issue” when he transferred to Freedom after not getting the starting job at Bethlehem Catholic. I’ve heard that was related to his residency (Freedom or Liberty I presume?) but nothing definite that I know.

In Liberty’s big run in the 2000s it was the opposite - all of the kids that were going to play for Bob Stem at Bethlehem Catholic stopped when Stem left and were playing at their home school. They did have one high profile transfer situation when Brendan Beal’s dad got an apartment in Bethlehem and moved the Rivals100 linebacker in for a semester to play at Liberty then graduate early (his NJ school didn’t have block scheduling that let him get the credits) so he could enroll early at Florida. Interestingly, the Beal year was the only season from 2005-2008 that they didn’t go to the state final.

Now, this is just football. If you’d like a look at the wild Wild West, we can talk Lehigh Valley wrestling transfers, particularly in the 90s and 00s. Though recently, Nazareth has decided to stop bringing a knife to a gunfight with Bethlehem Catholic and they have five of thirteen starters right now are transfers (Tahir Parkins from Stroudsburg, Charlie Bunting from Bangor, Braxton Appello from Easton, Nick Foster and Sean Kinney from East Stroudsburg). Four of those guys are state medalists, with Parkins, Bunting, and Kinney all potential state champs this year.

 

[BradlyPitt]

It's because they are the biggest schools in their classification. Mount Lebanon is huge and southern Columbia has always been a giant 3A school that found a loop hole were the piaa didn't count thier votech students. Central valley was 1 student under from having to play 4A.

most of southern columbia's titles are in 1A

central valley's coach was busted recruiting back in 2012 or so

 

[Hausmann1978]

most of southern columbia's titles are in 1A

central valley's coach was busted recruiting back in 2012 or so

Southern Columbia has always been playing under their real classification because they didn't count thier votech students and no central valley never recruited. Stopping posting false statements.

 

[BradlyPitt]

false statements?

Welcome

archive.triblive.com

when there is smoke, there is fire

funny how the school immediately becomes a powerhouse their first year of existence winning a wpial title, and now has more titles in the last 3 years then most schools have in their entire 5 plus decades history, when monaca and center had not won a wpial title since... i don't know of them ever winning a title but monaca was always competitive

 

[Hausmann1978]

false statements?

Welcome

archive.triblive.com

when there is smoke, there is fire

funny how the school immediately becomes a powerhouse their first year of existence winning a wpial title, and now has more titles in the last 3 years then most schools have in their entire 5 plus decades history, when monaca and center had not won a wpial title since... i don't know of them ever winning a title but monaca was always competitive

Erie tech and Erie academy both sucked in 92. They combined the 2 schools to form Erie central and became an instant power house in the mid 90s losing razor thin games to north hills and McKeesport by 1 in the western finals in 93 and 94. You are talking out your ass. Show me one shred of proof they recruit or did recruit. Go ahead and slap it up on this forum. I'll be waiting.

 

[BradlyPitt]

what is your problem? why is this upsetting to you? go get laid or something

i know nothing about the erie schools, but i do know that one school is called "Cathedral Prep" yet you always refer to them as "Erie Prep" so that's one thing I know about the Erie schools that you don't lol

 

[Hausmann1978]

what is your problem? why is this upsetting to you? go get laid or something

i know nothing about the erie schools, but i do know that one school is called "Cathedral Prep" yet you always refer to them as "Erie Prep" so that's one thing I know about the Erie schools that you don't lol

Not upset but don't like when people just make up shit. If your going to talk out your ass I will call you out on it. Now what proof do you got that they recruit.

 

[BradlyPitt]

Not upset but don't like when people just make up shit. If your going to talk out your ass I will call you out on it. Now what proof do you got that they recruit.

i posted the link, you blind?

you think i woke up today with the goal to slander some high school football team? if the discussion hurts your feelings maybe leave and find your safe space

why should they be trusted just because some erie team from 30 years ago had some decent teams when they merged?

there are also steroid allegations against central valley i'm hearing about, i don't have a link for that sorry

 

[Hausmann1978]

i posted the link, you blind?

you think i woke up today with the goal to slander some high school football team? if the discussion hurts your feelings maybe leave and find your safe space

why should they be trusted just because some erie team from 30 years ago had some decent teams when they merged?

there are also steroid allegations against central valley i'm hearing about, i don't have a link for that sorry

That's exactly what you did. Did you even read the article you just posted? The first line in that article said that the coach didn't violate any recruiting violations.

 

[BradlyPitt]

like i said when there's smoke there's fire, did you read the whole thing?

wins a championship in there very first year and has won like 5 wpial titles while only existing for only 12 seasons

must be something in the water... that wasn't in the water until coincidentally those two schools merged together right???

you want to think they are completely legit that's fine with me, but don't cry because i have doubts

 

[Hausmann1978]

like i said when there's smoke there's fire, did you read the whole thing?

wins a championship in there very first year and has won like 5 wpial titles while only existing for only 12 seasons

must be something in the water... that wasn't in the water until coincidentally those two schools merged together right???

you want to think they are completely legit that's fine with me, but don't cry because i have doubts

Did you even read the article. Your proof is an article that says they don't recruit. It's says right in it twice that Lyons did not recruit to include the opening line of the article. You are proving my point and you are saying since they are successful they recruit. You got nothing and yes there is something in the water. They are the biggest school in beaver county. You got alquippa, beaver falls, and central valley. Beaver county produces state champs every year.

 

[BradlyPitt]

Did you even read the article. It's says right in it twice that Lyons did not recruit to include the opening line of the article. You are proving my point and you are saying since they are successful they recruit. You got nothing.

suspended two games... for absolutely nothing right?

two schools that couldn't win a title in the small classifications merge and now win wpial and piaa championships on a regular basis in the bigger classes... nothing to see here

you believe what you want, i'll believe what i want

 

[Hausmann1978]

suspended two games... for absolutely nothing right?

two schools that couldn't win a title in the small classifications merge and now win wpial and piaa championships on a regular basis in the bigger classes... nothing to see here

you believe what you want, i'll believe what i want

Write the very first line of the article on here. Here let me help you out with that. The wpial found that central valley football coach mark Lyons had not violated league recruiting rules. I love that that's your proof and who would of ever thought you combined two schools and their athletics would get better. That's a shocker. I hope you get to the bottom of that steroid scandal too lol. I will say this if they ever put a private school in beaver county with central valley, Aliquippa, beaver falls, ect... We will have another st Joe's prep on the western part of the state.

 

[RoverNation05]

That escalated quickly

 

[paul from philly]

Write the very first line of the article on here. Here let me help you out with that. The wpial found that central valley football coach mark Lyons had not violated league recruiting rules. I love that that's your proof and who would of ever thought you combined two schools and their athletics would get better. That's a shocker. I hope you get to the bottom of that steroid scandal too lol. I will say this if they ever put a private school in beaver county with central valley, Aliquippa, beaver falls, ect... We will have another st Joe's prep on the western part of the state.

Choice!! It's a beautiful thing!!

 

[steelcurtain55.]

Southern Columbia has always been playing under their real classification because they didn't count thier votech students and no central valley never recruited. Stopping posting false statements.

Listen - you are very uniformed on this.

The kids that Southern sends to Columbia Montour Vo Tech are not counted in their #'s because the vo tech has their OWN football program and operates at the 4A level. Southern kids who attend the vo tech CANNOT play football at Southern. They are FULL TIME students at the vo tech. They don't graduate from Southern. They graduate from the TECH.

This is and has been one of the biggest myths on public forums since the Hyno days.

 

[Stalker]

Listen - you are very uniformed on this.

The kids that Southern sends to Columbia Montour Vo Tech are not counted in their #'s because the vo tech has their OWN football program and operates at the 4A level. Southern kids who attend the vo tech CANNOT play football at Southern. They are FULL TIME students at the vo tech. They don't graduate from Southern. They graduate from the TECH.

This is and has been one of the biggest myths on public forums since the Hyno days.

Steelcurtain55; well said. I was laying low waiting for the buzzer signaling the right answer and you rang it. It's not a hard topic to research so........congrats.

BradlyPitt: Again, I can't get into allegations (steroids, recruiting) since we can all sling it at any time based on a premise as thin as "I heard", or "it was said", etc. Some want it otherwise but we're still innocent til proven guilty in this country. And when there's smoke there's fire, but not until you see fire. Otherwise, it's just smoke. Plenty of that going around.

About CV finding success quickly with the merger.
**** From post of Feb 3 (italics)....All these teams below (tho not merged teams) also found success quickly; CD, SCA, Wyo, TJ, Clairton et all won and win state titles in tough conference/districts with some consistency. My point would be they found rapid success because of coaching, not cheating, recruiting etc........unless you prove that.
Nearly all the power teams have or had steady long-term coaches and staff. Here's a few current egs from various classes; Central Dauphin, Southern Columbia, Exeter Twp, Berlin Brothersvalley, Wilson, Wyomissing, Thomas Jefferson, Lampeter Strasburg, Clairton, Harrisburg, North Schuylkill, wherever H. Fairclough coaches, etc, etc.

******** I do like your suggestion to Hausmann1978 to "get laid" but feel the sentiment should be shared with the board at large.

 

[BradlyPitt]

Write the very first line of the article on here. Here let me help you out with that. The wpial found that central valley football coach mark Lyons had not violated league recruiting rules. I love that that's your proof and who would of ever thought you combined two schools and their athletics would get better. That's a shocker. I hope you get to the bottom of that steroid scandal too lol. I will say this if they ever put a private school in beaver county with central valley, Aliquippa, beaver falls, ect... We will have another st Joe's prep on the western part of the state.

yes it is a shocker when two teams that couldn't win squat in the smallest classifications are suddenly unbeatable in the larger classifications, if you want more proof so bad show me your own proof back in 2010 that you predicted this LOL

i don't trust Central Valley at all, you are going to have to find a way to learn to live with that

 

[BradlyPitt]

Listen - you are very uniformed on this.

The kids that Southern sends to Columbia Montour Vo Tech are not counted in their #'s because the vo tech has their OWN football program and operates at the 4A level. Southern kids who attend the vo tech CANNOT play football at Southern. They are FULL TIME students at the vo tech. They don't graduate from Southern. They graduate from the TECH.

This is and has been one of the biggest myths on public forums since the Hyno days.

wait are you telling me that Hausman doesn't know everything? how dare you...

 

[BradlyPitt]

Steelcurtain55; well said. I was laying low waiting for the buzzer signaling the right answer and you rang it. It's not a hard topic to research so........congrats.

BradlyPitt: Again, I can't get into allegations (steroids, recruiting) since we can all sling it at any time based on a premise as thin as "I heard", or "it was said", etc. Some want it otherwise but we're still innocent til proven guilty in this country. And when there's smoke there's fire, but not until you see fire. Otherwise, it's just smoke. Plenty of that going around.

About CV finding success quickly with the merger.
**** From post of Feb 3 (italics)....All these teams below (tho not merged teams) also found success quickly; CD, SCA, Wyo, TJ, Clairton et all won and win state titles in tough conference/districts with some consistency. My point would be they found rapid success because of coaching, not cheating, recruiting etc........unless you prove that.
Nearly all the power teams have or had steady long-term coaches and staff. Here's a few current egs from various classes; Central Dauphin, Southern Columbia, Exeter Twp, Berlin Brothersvalley, Wilson, Wyomissing, Thomas Jefferson, Lampeter Strasburg, Clairton, Harrisburg, North Schuylkill, wherever H. Fairclough coaches, etc, etc.

******** I do like your suggestion to Hausmann1978 to "get laid" but feel the sentiment should be shared with the board at large.

Mark Lyons coached at other places and didn't win championships so how did his coaching get so far superior with this merger?

he was fired at Mt. Pleasant as head coach and was an assistant at Freedom and New Brighton, teams that weren't very good to say the least

look I'm sure he's a good coach, but suddenly he's an all time great consistently winning championships with a merger between two schools that weren't winning before? maybe I'm too cynical and maybe some people aren't paying attention

and yes I need to get laid more myself too

 

[Stalker]

Again, these are inferences. Of course, it's notable he found success so thoroughly at CV. But I don't know why that has to be suspicious because he wasn't successful elsewhere. Everyone needs talent but CV plays pretty solid football looking at vids and that's on the coach who deserves a lot of credit for their winning ways.

The talk around Wyomissing was what a good program they have and how disappointed they were with the loss. They lost to them two straight but didn't go negative with it.

 

[Hausmann1978]

Again, these are inferences. Of course, it's notable he found success so thoroughly at CV. But I don't know why that has to be suspicious because he wasn't successful elsewhere. Everyone needs talent but CV plays pretty solid football looking at vids and that's on the coach who deserves a lot of credit for their winning ways.

The talk around Wyomissing was what a good program they have and how disappointed they were with the loss. They lost to them two straight but didn't go negative with it.

I agree stalker Bob Palko said it best when he said it takes a little bit of everyone to make the program work from the trainers, to the boosters, to the parents, to the coaches and the talent but to just throw false accusations up here without anything to back it up is asinine. To say the coach is cheating and the kids are doping is just ridiculous. Especially when it's kids we are talking about.

 

[sammyk]

All I know is if you come down to Greene County PA into Carmichaels all you will find is an a$$ whippin