does coaching success bring options??

[green_beans]

Here's a question that I have not seen posted on the board yet.. we all talk about the success of the surrounding programs (after all it's a HS football blog)

..regardless of how the kids got into the program.. they have been coached very very talented coaches... as the coaches become more successful do their options for better opportunities increase.. the same as they would for college coaches.. so as our HS FB programs get better and better do we risk losing some of the architects of these programs to better opportunities to bigger HS programs or small colleges .. we focus on which kid is going D1.. but what about the coaches.. at the end of the day they are doing something they love to do.. but also have to make a living..? just a thought

 

[paul from philly]

Here's a question that I have not seen posted on the board yet.. we all talk about the success of the surrounding programs (after all it's a HS football blog)

..regardless of how the kids got into the program.. they have been coached very very talented coaches... as the coaches become more successful do their options for better opportunities increase.. the same as they would for college coaches.. so as our HS FB programs get better and better do we risk losing some of the architects of these programs to better opportunities to bigger HS programs or small colleges .. we focus on which kid is going D1.. but what about the coaches.. at the end of the day they are doing something they love to do.. but also have to make a living..? just a thought

It seems to me that most of the High School coaching moves are "sideways". Brooks went to another high school, not a college. Gordon went to another high school, not college. Schmidt, another high school. I would have to say the most likely guy to make the next step would be Infante. He seems to know how to communicate and that goes for his interaction with the public, getting involved in the Heads Up program on the ground floor. Plus, he's young enough. If he doesn't move on to college, I don't know who would!!

 

[CYOBALL1]

It seems to me that most of the High School coaching moves are "sideways". Brooks went to another high school, not a college. Gordon went to another high school, not college. Schmidt, another high school. I would have to say the most likely guy to make the next step would be Infante. He seems to know how to communicate and that goes for his interaction with the public, getting involved in the Heads Up program on the ground floor. Plus, he's young enough. If he doesn't move on to college, I don't know who would!!

I guess my question is, why would he ever leave Prep? He is operating the program the way that he likes. He's the head guy, has an EXTRAORDINARY large budget to work with and is never told no by school or administration. If there is an 8th grader that he likes 95% of the time he gets him.
He is able to bring in players from Downingtown,PA to Toms River, NJ. The Preps practice facility, Temple University.
Most coaches would leave HS and head to College to make a career out of coaching. Infante's career is established and the foundation for success at the Prep has already been set. It's no secret that he is paid a pretty penny for being the head coach. So I ask ,what does he have to gain by leaving?

 

[coverandmove1]

I hear Infante is ready to eat some chicken fried steak in Texas!

 

[paul from philly]

I guess my question is, why would he ever leave Prep? He is operating the program the way that he likes. He's the head guy, has an EXTRAORDINARY large budget to work with and is never told no by school or administration. If there is an 8th grader that he likes 95% of the time he gets him.
He is able to bring in players from Downingtown,PA to Toms River, NJ. The Preps practice facility, Temple University.
Most coaches would leave HS and head to College to make a career out of coaching. Infante's career is established and the foundation for success at the Prep has already been set. It's no secret that he is paid a pretty penny for being the head coach. So I ask ,what does he have to gain by leaving?

I totally agree with you CYO. What I was saying was he is the only guy in the area on anyone's radar. If it aint Gabe, then who else out there fits the bill. If I were Gabe, I would stay put and become a legend!!

 

[coverandmove1]

Soon I will be 2 for 2, Infante to Texas and Haynes new basketball coach at North Penn, actually 3 for 3, cause Russo is much better than np Qb.

 

[green_beans]

Using him as an example only because that the first name to pop up on the board.... I don't know him or have any type of inside info.. but I'm guessing everyone has his price... I don't know what private school coaches make.. but say they make X.. and another private school offers the same budget but says we can pay you XX++ and his current school doesn't match it.. at what point does someone who still has to make a living say no??

 

[green_beans]

cover.. I agree with russo..but Haynes new hoops coach... I doubt the AD would go for that... would smell too much like a side deal..

 

[coverandmove1]

Green beans, so naive. No side deal , no back room deals, handshakes, winks or promises, please....

 

[TDjones22]

Some of you gotta remember this is a FT job for maybe 5% of the Coaches here in Philly maybe less. What i mean by that is they are Employed by the school not just to coach football, Infante is a totally different story . Besides the Pub where you have to be a teacher and get a extra 10k in your pocket, Charter schools an most PCL schools have coaches that have FT jobs doing something else and football is just a hobby they like. There are some Teachers/Coaches around but very few.

 

[yesman3]

It seems to me that most of the High School coaching moves are "sideways". Brooks went to another high school, not a college. Gordon went to another high school, not college. Schmidt, another high school. I would have to say the most likely guy to make the next step would be Infante. He seems to know how to communicate and that goes for his interaction with the public, getting involved in the Heads Up program on the ground floor. Plus, he's young enough. If he doesn't move on to college, I don't know who would!!

Paul,
Brooks and Gordon were ~60ish at the time of their Prep/LaSalle displacement. Schmidt was no young'in either. With all due respect, it's probably too old making move to the next level. Infante is the perfect age (with accomplishment) that would be enticing to a college program looking for a younger energetic upwardly mobile coach.
He has an ideal situation at SJP, why would he ever leave?......It's the challenge of succeeding at the next level, it often is. IMO..

 

[green_beans]

TD.. It's that 5% I'm talking about...using NP as an example.. was Pettine Jr. hired to run the AV dept or win football games (he replaced Shannon who had three 9-3 years in a row.. Pettin Jr. won a few games got NP's program on a locally broadcast show on ESPN called the season.. .. same with Beck...was he hired to be a security guard or win FB games.. if NP went on skids for say 5 years.. how long before they found a new security guard..

 

[coverandmove1]

Schmidt, brooks, Gordon, weren't there pretty much asked to leave? They don't count. Infante is the first one to make this big of a splash. PA football coaching made up of old pettine types/ clones. Beck, matta, the guys out west. Who's flashier than Gabe. Can the prep keep him? Or like brooks does he have a shelf life. Gordon had one at LaSalle, compete, win a title and get out before anyone notices we raped the recruiting world.

 

[green_beans]

cover.. before I speak out of turn... tell me if you ate paint chips as a kid

 

[tulla]

Paul,
Brooks and Gordon were ~60ish at the time of their Prep/LaSalle displacement. Schmidt was no young'in either. With all due respect, it's probably too old making move to the next level. Infante is the perfect age (with accomplishment) that would be enticing to a college program looking for a younger energetic upwardly mobile coach.
He has an ideal situation at SJP, why would he ever leave?......It's the challenge of succeeding at the next level, it often is. IMO..

Small correction: Brooks was not "60ish" but about 50 when he left SJP. He left in early 2010 and graduated from the Prep around '77--give or take a year. In any case, he was/ is a practicing lawyer and I don't think ever wanted coaching to be his full-time job.

About Infante: My sense is that he's more suited to being a high school coach than a college one--he connects well with high-school age kids. But he's like everyone else in having to look at all kinds of factors--including family ones--when deciding about career moves. My hunch (from a distance) is he stays at the Prep for another few years at least.

 

[yesman3]

Small correction: Brooks was not "60ish" but about 50 when he left SJP. He left in early 2010 and graduated from the Prep around '77--give or take a year. In any case, he was/ is a practicing lawyer and I don't think ever wanted coaching to be his full-time job.

About Infante: My sense is that he's more suited to being a high school coach than a college one--he connects well with high-school age kids. But he's like everyone else in having to look at all kinds of factors--including family ones--when deciding about career moves. My hunch (from a distance) is he stays at the Prep for another few years at least.

Tulla,
Didn't realize Brooksy was ~50, jeez he seemed much older!!....and yes, being with one of the top Law firms in Phila., there would be no reason to pursue the coaching option further although I believe he went to Camden Catholic to prove a point.
Despite Brooks' allergy to affectively throw and defend the pass (in my opinion, his downfall to LaSalle during those later years) and sideline demeanor, there's one thing that cannot be argued, his tireless efforts to get his boys any/all the college scholarships that could be afforded and influenced.

 

[JoeEmmi]

I guess my question is, why would he ever leave Prep? He is operating the program the way that he likes. He's the head guy, has an EXTRAORDINARY large budget to work with and is never told no by school or administration. If there is an 8th grader that he likes 95% of the time he gets him.
He is able to bring in players from Downingtown,PA to Toms River, NJ. The Preps practice facility, Temple University.
Most coaches would leave HS and head to College to make a career out of coaching. Infante's career is established and the foundation for success at the Prep has already been set. It's no secret that he is paid a pretty penny for being the head coach. So I ask ,what does he have to gain by leaving?

Like I'

I guess my question is, why would he ever leave Prep? He is operating the program the way that he likes. He's the head guy, has an EXTRAORDINARY large budget to work with and is never told no by school or administration. If there is an 8th grader that he likes 95% of the time he gets him.
He is able to bring in players from Downingtown,PA to Toms River, NJ. The Preps practice facility, Temple University.
Most coaches would leave HS and head to College to make a career out of coaching. Infante's career is established and the foundation for success at the Prep has already been set. It's no secret that he is paid a pretty penny for being the head coach. So I ask ,what does he have to gain by leaving?

Like I've said, equal playing field with the public schools for the state title.

 

[tulla]

Tulla,
Didn't realize Brooksy was ~50, jeez he seemed much older!!....and yes, being with one of the top Law firms in Phila., there would be no reason to pursue the coaching option further although I believe he went to Camden Catholic to prove a point.
Despite Brooks' allergy to affectively throw and defend the pass (in my opinion, his downfall to LaSalle during those later years) and sideline demeanor, there's one thing that cannot be argued, his tireless efforts to get his boys any/all the college scholarships that could be afforded and influenced.

Yesman,

Funny thing about age. Because Brooks is younger than I am, I always thought of him as youngish.

About Brooks against LaSalle. We're really talking about just two years: '08 and '09--the '06 championship game being such an anomaly. Gordon saw something in the Prep defense that made the LaSalle passing game very effective and the Prep never was able to make the right adjustment. Also, Loughery was phenomenal in the '09 championship game. No shame in losing that year to the eventual state champions.