Defense?

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  1. coverandmove1

    coverandmove1 Well-Known Member
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    Who has best d in District one? DTE gives up 44 to NP, garnet gives up 31 to Marple, Np gives it up to everyone and so on and so forth...who can make the changes come playoff time, can they? NP needs to do something to have any shot of going deep. My thoughts are to keep #12 @ outside backer along with #8, put #24 with #55 in the middle and move big #3 to d end. Keep #4 @ other d end and rotate some big o line men in on d line every series like #71, 66 etc. To soft in the middle.
     
  2. IAdelco

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    Seems like your missing a team that was top 10 in the State in most defensive categories like yards against run and pass and points. Probably just an oversight on your part. Coatesville? Or are they not in District 1? My bad
     
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    Jeez , I'm not an inter ac alum but I believe they are Delco. Thanks for coatesville info.
     
  4. IAdelco

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    Not hard to look up. Guess that's what us Inter-Ac guys are known for, research. I could see how they would be overlooked though not being disciplined and all. That's the stereo type we are still going with I assume?
     
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    You tell me the last time the underachieving red raiders did something smart fella?
     
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    I'll tell you, with all that talent and speed, one district championship in 2012, one loss to pennsbury in final in last 12 years, since 2005 @ least. Got tired doing research. Overlooked , why wouldn't they be. I simply asked who has a good defense, named a few, had nothing against coatesville until little troll like you came out.
     
  7. IAdelco

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    Apparently your the man with all the answers. This year when were they stupid? I mean Ortega is no Dick Beck but I saw North Penn get gashed for 450 and 61 points by mis aligning, slanting away from strength against DTOWN East when everybody knows Matta is going to run it 80% of the time to strength of the formation. Clearly it wasn't working. So when do you get out of it? When you give up 100 points? I was not only suprised but disappointed because I was expecting to see the great North Penn defense and all of their magnificent transfers choke out the Cougars. Wouldn't be surprised if Coatesville ran the same defense as North Penn in two weeks because that would obviously be the smart thing to do. Don't need an Inter Ac education to know that won't happen. That being said I still think North Penn is the team to beat in District 1. Because of their offense, not their defense!
     
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    Believe that was my post, changes the np d need to make. Maybe you don't have to be from inter ac to have a few answers. Believe matta beat beck few years back in regular season only to lose at home in playoffs. Guess we will see what adjustments will be made playoff time. I wouldn't have a problem if all their transfers sat on defense.
     
  9. IAdelco

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    Believe the rest of your post was spent searching for the best defense in District 1. You mention North Penn, DEast and Garnet Valley but fail to mention the one that is ranked behind a handful of teams in the state in multiple categories. I found it odd. In doing more research, Coatesville D has only given up 12 first half points. That should be good enough to get a mention from someone that had done their research like you? I was just digging to see what your reasoning was in mentioning DEast and Garnet Valley but excluding Coatesville? Maybe you have seen them play and you feel they are not that good? Schedule is too soft? Not smart or disciplined enough to make it far in the District playoffs or is there another reason I'm missing. For example, Haverford High has very good stats but they were exposed against Garnet Valley? Maybe Coatesville will be exposed against a much improved Avon Grove this week or eventually wear down against DEast in 2 weeks while North Penn D feasts on the weaker part of their schedule?
     
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    None of the defenses mentioned should be mistaken for LaSalle, Wood and obviously St. Joe's Prep for that matter. Parkland appears to be extremely strong again as well.
     
  11. the trap

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    I don't know a lot about coatesville .
    I think they have only played 2 6A teams correct Cumberland Valley And West if I'm not mistaken.So as far as feasting on schedules relax the np vs east games was bad poor defense bad play calling By Np
    and east played great as for transfers (Np )and recruiting( LS SJP AW) And a 16 or 17 yr old Soph Playing QB (Ville) you got to play the games and see at the end who's still standing .
     
  12. ChesmontLeague1

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    Cover - Coatesville won the District 1 championship in 1992 and lost in 93 (CB West both times). besides winning in 2012 and losing in 2014. Cville is also the winningest program in District 1 with 690 wins and approximately the 10th winningest in the State.
     
  13. IAdelco

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    Cover, you can call me any name you want buddy. Bottom line, I do my research and you well, not so much. The post was about defense this year. You done back into the past and as Chesmont pointed out, you screwed the pooch on that one too. I wouldn't have to "troll you" if you could just be objective, factual and informative all at the same time. Unfortunately, your appear to be like sports media around the nation that paint Philly in a bad light. Coatesville must be the same old Coatesville because that's where they come from. Lack discipline, not smart, etc. Times change, kids change, coaching staff change. Maybe one day someone as narrow minded as yourself can do the same. Until then... be well and good luck to your North Penn Knights!
     
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    Trap - Agreed NP is still the favorite w all of its transfers and also agree that Coatesville has played a weak schedule compared to the other heavyweight contenders. Other than a few teams in District 1 most wont be able to handle the Red Raiders speed. If you stop the rb they’ll throw. Most teams won’t have 3 cover guys to contain the wrs. You stop the rb and WRs the QB will beat you with the run. The bullshit that happened at the NP game w the racist chants and harassment of the cheerleaders/band last year will sure be a motivating factor for the Red Raiders if they meet. That NP announcer is a freakin weenie.
     
  15. IAdelco

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    By the way, Springfield D may have one of the best defenses around but they are only 5A. Perk Valley probably deserves some mention as they did a great job against Springford over this past weekend, possibly knocking Springford from the playoffs but I think somehow they may sneak in.
     
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    Right, Coatesville. Except for a few breakdowns, impressive at CV. Really strange they didn’t adjust but still impressive
     
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    As long as we're quoting facts and research ability.. even though I'm not an inter act grad (just a poor public school kid with an MBA)...I do know how to use statistics to win my point - ... granted CV has about 690 wins.. according to https://pafbhistory.wordpress.com/the-wins-list/ for a football progame that started in 1903 = 114 years which is about 6 wins per year..still not bad.. but in this day and age of What have you done for me lately" a better source of overall program strength might be MaxPrep rankings..below is

    Criteria: For the purpose of the rankings, each team will be awarded points based off where it finished in the computer rankings after each season. For example, if a team finished No. 1 overall it receives 25 points. If the team finished No. 25 overall, it would get one point. A team also receives 30 points for winning a state title and 15 for being the runner-up.
    1. St. Joseph's Prep (Philadelphia) — 248 points
    State titles:
    3
    Runner-ups: 0
    Top 25 state rankings: 2006 (4), 2007 (9), 2008 (22), 2009 (7), 2011 (18), 2012 (3), 2013 (1), 2014 (1), 2015 (6), 2016 (1)
    2. Archbishop Wood (Warminster) — 247 points
    State titles:
    4
    Runner-ups: 2
    Top 25 state rankings: 2008 (20), 2010 (12), 2011 (1), 2012 (13), 2013 (2), 2014 (2), 2015 (8), 2016 (3)
    3. Central Catholic (Pittsburgh) — 229 points
    State titles:
    2
    Runner-ups: 2
    Top 25 state rankings: 2006 (9), 2007 (1), 2010 (5), 2011 (11), 2013 (3), 2014 (6), 2015 (2), 2016 (2)
    4. La Salle College (Wyndmoor) — 223 points
    State titles:
    1
    Runner-ups: 1
    Top 25 state rankings: 2006 (8), 2008 (12), 2009 (1), 2010 (3), 2011 (4), 2012 (4), 2013 (7), 2014 (4), 2015 (4), 2016 (20)
    5. Clairton — 178 points
    State titles:
    4
    Runner-ups: 2
    Top 25 state rankings: 2009 (12), 2010 (8), 2011 (7), 2012 (5), 2014 (20)
    6. Parkland (Allentown) — 157 points
    State titles:
    0
    Runner-ups: 2
    Top 25 state rankings: 2007 (8), 2008 (15), 2009 (14), 2012 (8), 2013 (5), 2014 (9), 2015 (3), 2016 (9)
    7. North Allegheny (Wexford) — 152 points
    State titles:
    2
    Runner-ups: 0
    Top 25 state rankings: 2006 (6), 2007 (10), 2010 (1), 2011 (3), 2012 (1), 2015 (23)
    8. Bishop McDevitt (Harrisburg) — 141 points
    State titles:
    0
    Runner-ups: 3
    Top 25 state rankings: 2006 (24), 2009 (6), 2010 (11), 2011 (9), 2012 (14), 2013 (8), 2014 (12), 2015 (13)
    9. Cathedral Prep (Erie) — 139 points
    State titles:
    2
    Runner-ups: 1
    Top 25 state rankings: 2006 (17), 2009 (24), 2012 (2), 2013 (9), 2015 (9), 2016 (6)
    10. North Penn (Lansdale) — 127 points
    State titles:
    0
    Runner-ups: 1
    Top 25 state rankings: 2006 (25), 2008 (3), 2009 (11), 2010 (6), 2011 (5), 2013 (19), 2015 (17), 2016 (5)
    11. Thomas Jefferson (Jefferson Hills) — 117 points
    State titles:
    2
    Runner-ups: 0
    Top 25 state rankings: 2006 (12), 2007 (2), 2008 (2), 2016 (11)
    12. South Fayette (McDonald) — 110 points
    State titles:
    2
    Runner-ups: 1
    Top 25 state rankings: 2010 (9), 2013 (4), 2014 (5)
    13. Imhotep Charter (Philadelphia) — 101 points
    State titles:
    1
    Runner-ups: 2
    Top 25 state rankings: 2013 (11), 2014 (23), 2015 (1), 2016 (8)
    14 (tie). Wilson (West Lawn) — 92 points
    State titles:
    0
    Runner-ups: 0
    Top 25 state rankings: 2008 (5), 2009 (21), 2010 (20), 2011 (20), 2012 (9), 2013 (20), 2014 (7), 2016 (14)
    14 (tie). Easton — 92 points
    State titles:
    0
    Runner-ups: 0
    Top 25 state rankings: 2006 (14), 2009 (5), 2010 (13), 2011 (17), 2013 (13), 2014 (10), 2015 (18)
     
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    That's awesome Green Beans. We will award you an honorary Math and Research diploma from an Inter Ac school. However, reading literacy seems to be subpar. This thread was about best defenses in District 1 this year. Probably just 6A only but I threw Springfield in because I think that defense could compete at the 6A level this year. I don't care about wins or championships won from 2002. Could Pennridge and CB South also be thrown into the mix? They seem to have good numbers against most teams except North Penn? I'm almost convinced in seeing North Penn 3 times this year that you may have to outscore them to beat them as DEast proved Week 1.
     
  19. ChesmontLeague1

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    Nobody doubts that NP is the District 1 leader but let’s face it Prep, LaSalle and Wood are the benchmark for football for SE PA. Commonality is you guys both get transfers/recruits but they are consistently winning the ultimate prize of a state championship and you aren’t.
     
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    You guys are great, researching hs football. Why don't we go back to 1955 and start a Ridley thread. Good luck Mr. Delco. Is coatesville in del co?
     
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    sorry I didn't realize that your 690 wins were all based on D.. sorry my mistake
     
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    I don’t think the Mainline would like Downingtown to be included into the geographical area. Brush up on your geography. 690 wins are just as meaningful as the NP stats you listed which really aren’t that meaningful if your prize is the state championship, Most acknowledge NP is the bar in District 1 but if we want to acknowledge/be in awe of football it’s those Catholic programs.
     
  23. IAdelco

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    Obviously they are not but I guess because of my handle I can only follow high school sports from Delaware County and the Inter AC? Unlike you I try and stay open and objective to all teams regardless of location, race and social economic dynamics. I'm openly stating I don't know enough about Pennsbury, Pennridge or CB South yet. CB defensive lined looked to have good size and apparently did a nice job against Neshaminy over the weekend. Will the Qb be back for the playoffs?
     
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    IA - These dudes or girls are coming across like they really don’t follow any other football outside of Lansdale. Please keep up the thought provoking questions as it’s good to get feedback from the other areas of D1, D11 and D12 which most of the posters seem to reside.
     
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    I'll do my best. Fortunately I get to see alot of games either live or on school feeds. Pro football doesn't do it for me anymore
     
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    Good one chesmont. Objective as they come 1adelco.
     
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    IADelco stated, "I'm almost convinced in seeing North Penn 3 times this year that you may have to outscore them to beat them."

    Great utilization of that InterAc degree to provide the board with some hard-hitting facts. You may have to score more points than NP to win vs them this year.

    Do you see any other teams in District 1 that you may have to outscore to beat this year?
     
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    ouch.. that really hurt my feelings..
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    Common man! IA listed a legitimate question on defense. I interjected on an incorrect stat. This thread spun out of control. Good luck to North Penn.
     
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    It certainly did as your buddy Delco interjected his inter ac brains to be a wise guy, because I guess he is. Anyhow , great to be talking district one football again, primarily 6a but we could go 5a and discuss Springfield, who could make a run at 6a with great tailback , good def and oc who hails from Ridley, a central league school , but has several college degrees and is fantastic offensive mind. Good luck to all, just wanted to know who could shut down someone come playoff time.
     
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    Common on Cover! We still got a few weeks before the real bantering starts! Good luck to NP
     
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    You got it my man, all in good fun.
     
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    Parkland won a state title in 2002
     
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    Regarding the original question of best defense in D1 6A...

    Since North Penn is generally regarded as the team to beat, it is interesting to consider that Pennsbury held them to 22 offensive points. This appears to be the lowest number (in most cases, by far) of any team on the very tough NP schedule to date.

    That doesn't make Pennsbury the best defense, but it is food for thought.
     
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    There are 5 teams in D1 6A that have given up less than 100 points so far: Haverford, Coatesville, Perk Valley, OJRoberts and Udarby.
     
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    Chesmont

    North Penn had one transfer udinski before
    This year who didn't grow up and play for youth or middle school teams .Don't give me recruiting if a kid wants to play for a better school for sports and has the ability to do so
    Until they change the rules so be it.
    Recruiting is arranging the financial end to get that kid to play and finding them that's why you see the coaches from The Catholics and private schools at middle school and cyo games if you check the USA today top 25 football high school rankings
    70% are open enrollment schools with a average tuition of about 13g a year.
    If your spending that on the football program you better be the benchmark.
     
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    Udinski came from Central Bucks and DePaw came from Norristown. Let me guess.. what a coincidence! These kids moved to play football! Nuff said. As far as academics, quality of education (smaller classes from teachers not unionized and love their job) and forming of well rounded young man for society. North Penn is a very solid pub but nowhere near a Prep education. Lastly this is a football board. Hands down Prep is the benchmark for football in these parts. You need to open your eyes to the outside world young man.
     
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    Cover - You are in the NP loop and to me make sense most the time. Beck has been bringing in transfers since Pettine and Pettine Jr showed him how to do it at CBW. With that being said, NP will lose to LS or SJP with or with out solid D. The East States go through the PCL.
     
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    I agree with you there the benchmark
    Tuition per player 22900 x80 players figure half of them start or play regularly that's a million dollars since not many people can pay 20gs a year a good portion is financial aid .They are the best team money can buy
     
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