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5A STATE Preseason Top 15

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5A STATE Preseason Top 15
Here’s a best guesstimate of this year’s top 5A teams. What stood out was the number of teams doing big rebuilds or with a new staff. High end teams like Strath Haven, Upper Dublin, Plymouth Whitemarsh, Shippensburg, Exeter, Solance, Warwick and more. Penn Trafford and Franklin Regional return some good parts but both lose good dual threat quarterbacks. Whitehall (7-6) returns a quarterback but doesn’t like to play defense any more than North Penn does. And they have a new staff. Etcetera, etcetera! Lots of change out there and who knows how it all shakes out. Scroll well down to see the post season reviews for more detail done for each area a few weeks/months ago.
**** the schedules are as of this posting.
1 Imhotep Charter School D-12 10-3
The Panthers return a pile of bodies that in a ‘combined’ State Top-10 would likely have them in the 2 slot behind St. Joseph’s Prep, with a few of the following 5As not far behind. Here are a few of their returning starters; QB Mikal Davis (6-0, 200, 1787py, sr), RB Jabree Coleman (6-1, 185, 1040ry, jr ), TE Johann Hennigan (6-1, 225, 22-372, sr), OT Zafir Stewart (6-5, 330, sr), DTs Jahsear Whittingham (6-2, 280, sr) and David Johnson (6-1, 270, sr), DE Zahir Mathis (6-6, 230, jr), CBs Naim Dantzler-jr, Kenny Woseley-sr and more. About the schedule, unless they schedule a game for August, they begin as they did last year (minus McDevitt of Harrisburg) with a tough opening slate at the Haverford School (10-0) followed by Archbishop Spalding (11-1) and Malvern Prep (8-2). Both Spalding and Malvern are revenge games at the super site. Those three will tell all with Haverford School returning one of the best O-Lines in the area, Spalding with one of the top QBs in Malik Washington (6-5, 200, +3000, 60%, 30/8) and Malvern Prep being Malvern Prep.
******** Edited to include classes and starting DLs Andre Cooper (5-11, 255, sr) and Raheem Reid (6-2, 220, sr).
2 Pine Richland D-7 13-3
Pine Richland faces the coming season without Ryan Palmieri who gave them one of the greatest single season performances in the area’s history, rushing for 1929 rush yards (24-Tds), completing 69% of his passes for 1104 yards (10-Tds) and catching eight passes for 92 yards. He had 92 tackles on defense. For the coming season, they’re thin in returning starters with five by my count but played a number of people last year winning games by an average score of 30-15. That was invaluable experience playing extra games by advancing to and winning the 5A title against a schedule with only one losing team. Another plus, this is year-2 of Coach Jon LeDonne’s system to see things are not so dismal as many suppose. And hey, it’s Pine Richland who has won three state titles the last six years and two runner-up trophies despite turmoil in the coaching staff. With a record of 100-21 the last nine years, they’ve established themselves as one of the premier programs in the state. They open at Pickerington North who has most of their skill back. Then Kiski and Penn Hills at home in a key 5A-North East Conference game.
3 Cathedral Prep D-10 8-3
Put the Ramblers a slot below Pine Richland per their close loss to them last year in the quarterfinals, 21-14 and decent returns. Prep had a 14-0 lead in that one but Pine had quarterback Palmieri….!....and a score in the last 2:01 to get the win. For the coming season, junior quarterback Luke Costello (51%, 1262, 13/4) who started from the Solon game on (replaced veteran Carter Barnes) is back with running back Dajoure Hollinsworth who rushed for 856 yards on 87 carries after replacing the injured Suhtaun Lewis. Their schedule largely mimics last years playing the usual Canadian and New York teams, Erie’s 6As McDowell and Erie High, with a few Ohio teams sprinkled in. Archbishop Hoban (Akron, 14-2) is again on the schedule, losing in the Div-II final last year to Central Catholic of Toledo 28-21 after routing Prep 47-14 in Akron. Following the Hoban opener at Cathedral, they play Canisius-Buffalo then always tough St. Francis-Hamburg who beat them last year 28-26.
4 Gateway D-7 7-4
Gateway edged Penn Hills vs ‘same opponents’ (Woody, NHills, PCC, Nor) going 3-1 to 1-3 and with a better average score of 24-14 vs 21-19. For 2023, the return of quarterback Brad Birch (61%-2024, 20/13) and Jaquon Reynolds (159-654ry, 32-324py) along with TE Remy Bose (6-1, 220), guards Chase Gabriel (6-1, 275) and Jake Santo (6-3, 260), and a well-regarded junior class now in their senior year says the Gators will be a major player in the ‘Wpial’ and perhaps beyond. The defense was ok at 17ppg knowing they had the 41-17 blowout to McKeesport, allowing 14ppg in all other games. The opening schedule is difficult at Mt. Lebanon who will be gunning for them losing last year (opener) in Monroeville 21-6. Then comes another big game at Woodland Hills. The home opener is against North Hills who they edged 20-17 last year.
5 Bethel Park D-7 10-2
The Blackhawks just completed their best season since the 2009 edition that also went 10-2 on the heels of the title run the year before where they finished 15-1 with a 28-21 ot loss to Liberty in the State Final. To some degree, the success of 2022 was expected with a pile of starters back except at quarterback (Max Blanc-Youngstown). Unfortunately, the season ended with a revenge/rematch loss to Upper St. Clair, 17-7. 2023 will hinge in part on how last year’s sophomore quarterback Tanner Pfeiffer (64%-1498, 14/8) matures. Also returning is well-regarded junior Ryan Petras with 44 receptions for 578 yards and 89 rushing attempts for 578 yards. But they have key people to replace beginning with OL Braeden Del Duca (6-2, 260), and two-way talents in FB/LB Gavin Moul (113-619ry, Delaware, 6-1 225), RB/S Austin Caye (175/787, Qb’d the D, Dayton?), TE/OLB Aiden Currie (17-210) and WR/DB Dinari Clacks (18-289). The cupboard is not bare, with the return of senior lineman Jake Brown (6-0, 285), Dylan Prindle (6-4, 245) and TE Clancy Orie (6-3, 220, jr), the impressive sophomore from last year. NG Brady Remington (5-1, 195, sr, OL?) is also back with MLB Rob Lakandula (6-1, 235, FB?). The schedule is challenging but manageable opening at North Hills, home to Mt. Lebanon then a major test at Central Catholic.
6 Penn Hills D-7 5-5
Looking back over last year’s results combined with this year’s returns says the 6-spot may too low for this group. Coach Charles Morris kept them competitive despite a number of tight losses that could have seen them throw in the towel. They didn’t, losing to Pittsburgh Central Catholic 33-28 in game #8 and closing at Woodland Hills in a 7-3 loss. Nail biting losses to Seneca Valley 17-15 and North Hills 27-26 prevented a 9-1 season. With quarterback Julian Dugger (55%-1342, 537ry) and running back Amir Key with 1249 yards returning and the other side well stocked, the game with Pine Richland takes on even more significance as it may preview the Wpial final. They open at home vs Seneca Valley then on the road to Norwin then the key early season game at Pine Richland Sept 8th.
7 Roman Catholic D-12 9-3
Here’s a team that ‘could have been’ had they eked past Imhotep instead of losing 14-6 in the district final. How exciting would a game with Pine Richland have been if Roman had gone on to defeat Whitehall and Upper Dublin? Maybe this year. They fielded one of their best defenses in many years, allowing 12ppg with seven opponents held to ten points or less. Although they lose some key pieces of that defense (top 4 tackles) they return two DLs and a veteran secondary. Offensively, they look good with the return of quarterback Semaj Beals (58%-1774) and outstanding receivers Tyseer Denmark (53/892, Oregon commit) and Trey Woodley (15/235). They open at home to Wilson (8-3, D3), then Lincoln (8-5, Philly Public), then a war with Episcopal Academy (9-1) of the Inter-Academic League who is loaded!
8 Woodland Hills D-7 6-6
Woodland Hills is a true 3A playing up. That was revealed last year with numbers issues and a youthful team that was blown out 48-14 by Penn Trafford, 38-23 to Highlands, 35-21 to Pine Richland and shutout by Gateway 21-0. But they ended strong beating good Penn Hills and Franklin Regional teams before losing competitively to Pine in a playoff rematch 23-12. They played a number of sophomores and a few freshmen last year. Those playing prominent roles were quarterback Cam Walter (48%-853, 7/10), running back Frankie Keyes (99-515) and wide out Will Smith (36-325). Brandon Jones (102-527) also returns with Andre Smith. Despite numbers, they seem to always have a massive line. Last year’s came in at 279 and return Majuan Rose (6-3, 285) and Pierce Cannon (6-5, 300). Last year’s finish was something to build on with all the youth returning, youth that will be tested right up front in games against Central Catholic, Gateway and Penn Trafford. All are home games.
9 Upper St. Clair D7 10-3
Like Bethel Park above, USC also had their best season in years, going back to 2013’s 11-1 season. Still, they lost home games to Bethel Park 27-14 and Canon McMillan 28-24. They avenged the Bethel loss in the playoffs 17-7 then lost to Pine Richland 34-3 to end the season. With big holes to fill on the line (Ehase, Kirk, Banbury, Lapinski, Howe) and big numbers from the defense, the rebuild looks good knowing it will be in the hands of two outstanding quarterbacks in junior Julian Dahlem (63%-980, 16/4) and sophomore Ethan Hellmann (65%-907, 9/3). Otherwise it’s new skill at receiver where the top three graduate taking 72 receptions for 1371yds including Aidan Besselman (6-3 190, 41-818, 41 tackles) plus running back Jamaal Brown (200-1484). The defense will rebuild around standout sophs from last year in LB Vince Hellmann (6-1, 190, 65 tackles) and DE Nate Stohl (6-3, 240, 50 tackles) and two-way senior lineman Mark Carone (6-4, 250, 21 tackles). The talent shown at quarterback last year should set the Panthers up for the coming season and the next few years.
10 Peters Township D-7 6-4
Peters Township is a program that might sneak by you if you didn’t notice they’re 56-21 since TJ Plack took over in 2016. His best was 2019’s 12-2 team that lost in the WPIAL final to Gateway 20-19. Coach has turned the program around after a five-year stint at South Fayette going 30-18. Last year’s team was young with only five seniors and should be a major player this year with quarterback Chris Cibrone (58%-1974py, 19/7) back plus four of their top five receivers, along with all of last year’s sophomores and juniors now a year older. This is the group that averaged 31ppg! Last year was a strange year with tight losses to USC 17-10, Lebo 6-3 and Bethel 27-21, as well as the shocker to C-Mac 26-7? They should get off to another strong start (6-1 last year) opening at home to Fox Chapel, Seneca Valley then away at Trinity. PT could be a real surprise this year.
11 Delaware Valley D-2 7-6
Delaware Valley’s young team played a typical Warrior slate scheduling Mosley of Florida (5-5, Panhandle area), Harrisburg (11-3) and Downingtown East (9-4) last year, losing all three. But they hung tough with Mosley losing 24-23 and Downingtown losing 28-20 while getting clobbered by the Cougars 32-3. The other high quality opponents were LFC-Division 1 champ Valley View (10-3), one of the top 4As in the state who they beat 41-27, and Scranton Prep (9-4), one of the top 3As who edged them 20-13. Not bad for a young group. This year’s team graduated but 11 seniors and return almost everyone. This includes senior quarterback Tyler Bird (80/166-49%, 1136 7/11), the coach’s son junior quarterback Logan Olsommer (43/80-54%, 459, 3/2), the #2 back Ryder Machado (719) and two leading receivers from a unit that averaged 24ppg. Looks like there could be a quarterback battle! The D that allowed 20ppg graduated four starters but returns their top three tackles (96, 102, 143!), seven starters and at least five co-starters. This year’s schedule will again reveal them early, opening at Selinsgrove before the home opener against Harrisburg and a road trip to Downingtown East, all of which are expected to field powerful teams.
12 Rustin D1 11-2
For a ‘new’ program opening in 2006, few teams had the success Rustin has generating one of the best records in the state at 146-52 while finishing second in the district playoffs three consecutive years. Mike St. Clair has been their only coach. Last year’s team went to overtime to beat Strath Haven in the postseason 28-27 after losing to them the preceding year 34-33, also in overtime. A 21-7 loss to Upper Dublin in the district final brought the season to a close. And that was with a young team. Two sophomores stood out in quarterback David McLain and running back Chase Hutton (5-9, 190, 1222ry). With Strath Haven, Upper Dublin and other power teams in major rebuilds, look for the Golden Knights to get over the hump and finally win districts. The schedule mimics last year’s opening at Henderson and West Chester East, then home against Kennett.
13 Cocalico D-3 10-5
The Eagles somehow conjured up a 10-win season with a relatively young group of juniors, with a few seniors, sophomores and a freshman mixed in. And they won the district title! That youth showed up in losses to the top teams on the schedule against Solanco (11-1), Manheim Central (11-2), Lampeter Strasburg (9-3) and Wyomissing (13-1), before rallying for a 7-1 finish and date in the semifinal where they lost to Pine Richland (13-3) 34-12. Those teams had a combined record of 57-9, making the youthful Eagles one battle tested bunch! With most of last year’s team returning including the entire backfield with senior running back Sam Steffey (309-1829ry) headlining, look for another serious run. One thing is certain, the pecking order in the district will be sorted out early opening with a road game at Warwick followed by homers against Solanco and Manheim Central.
TIE
Whitehall 5A D11 7-6

Whitehall won their 4th district title in the last seven years by routing Southern Lehigh (9-3) in the district final at Catasauqua 43-17! Then came a somewhat misleading score verses Delaware Valley, scoring 17 4th quarter points for the 34-13 win in States. This was followed by a 55-7 drubbing at the hands of Imhotep (10-3) where they looked out of position on some series and a step slow.
The big news for the coming season is the retirement of four-year coach Matt Senneca (17-26, two district titles), with Andy Marino stepping in. Marino was the Line Coach at Elon College and is a Neshaminy grad. This year’s team will then be something of a mystery with the new staff and a rebuild. But they return quarterback Trey Dogmanits (167/291-57%, 1997py, 22/14 ratio) who can be a load when on. Two of their leading receivers are also back making the priority issues appear to be the defense that was senior oriented. This year’s opening slate resembles last year with the homer to Pocono Mountain East followed by Bethlehem Catholic then Easton. Actually the entire schedule is a workout with no breathers in the EPC-South.
14 Southern Lehigh D-11 9-3
Southern Lehigh opened with a disappointing 42-28 loss at Quakertown last year before reeling off eight straight including a 29-28 win at Notre Dame (9-3). It was a young group that were overmatched against Northwestern Lehigh, losing 45-7 then to Whitehall 43-17 in the 5A district final. For 2023, a pile of bodies returns including running back Cade Sawyer (1346), quarterback Christopher Fritts (39/67-513), three of their top four receivers and half the defense. The 9-3 campaign was a nice response to 2022’s 4-7 season, their first losing season since 2007. They open again this year against Quakertown then Notre Dame before the home opener against Bangor. They’re a steady winner in the district that with any kind of development will be far more competitive this season.
15 Marple Newtown D1 6-6
Here’s a group that was super young last year and still managed a 6-6 record, a 26-19 PF-PA average with 1, 1, 3 and 3 point losses! That close to a 10-2 record! But you have to start winning some of those games, or forever stay in the shadow of Strath Haven where they’ve gone 1-4 the last five years, 0-2 vs Ridley and 0-3 vs G-Val over the same period. Quarterback Dave Bertoline returns with his big tackle Andrew Kirlin (6-6, 305, PSU, OU, etc) and most of last year’s starters. They open with road games at Boys Latin then Radnor before coming home to play Upper Darby. Their 61-31 won/loss the last eight years says they’re knocking on the door.
OTHERS:
South Fayette D7 5-5
Cedar Cliff D3 7-4
Chester D1 10-2
Dover D3 9-3
Great Valley D1 8-4
 
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When you read these write-ups by Stalk you know the season is not far off.

Nice work (much appreciation for the Stalks, Rovers, and others who give us these in-depth dives into the various teams).

St. Joe's and Imhotep: Man, they're both running on all eight - make that twelve - cylinders.
 
Good stuff, Stalk- I agree w all 15, maybe changed order

-Imotep was not the toughest team PR played last year- most talented yes, but best overall opponent- it was ECP, I see they are 3, but i could argue they could be 1

-the biggest sleeper in D7 is gonna be Woody- the "x-factor" is gonna be their new coach- if the community and team "buys in" they will be better- his name is Tarrant- he coached under LeDonne at PH so he knows how to win championships, pretty sure he helped get the state title in 2018- with 3 of the 10 best teams in WPIAL 5A Northeast- WH, PH and PR- this conference is kinda be like Aliquippa and CV- gonna be a dogfight- the best team from that conference, when the dust settles from reg season, could be the state best- and that could be Woodland Hills
 
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Looks like it will be a very interesting year in 5A. Very much looking forward to an Imhotep vs Roman D12 championship game. Roman has been the up-and-coming program for a few years now. This may be their best chance to make some noise.
 
Good stuff, Stalk- I agree w all 15, maybe changed order

-Imotep was not the toughest team PR played last year- most talented yes, but best overall opponent- it was ECP, I see they are 3, but i could argue they could be 1

-the biggest sleeper in D7 is gonna be Woody- the "x-factor" is gonna be their new coach- if the community and team "buys in" they will be better- his name is Tarrant- he coached under LeDonne at PH so he knows how to win championships, pretty sure he helped get the state title in 2018- with 3 of the 10 best teams in WPIAL 5A Northeast- WH, PH and PR- this conference is kinda be like Aliquippa and CV- gonna be a dogfight- the best team from that conference, when the dust settles from reg season, could be the state best- and that could be Woodland Hills
** Absolutely 2020, I think you could flip the top 3....at least, perhaps deeper per development/health. I gave the nod to ICS per youth in many key positions last year (a year ahead?) that should mature. The star Rb everyone wants was a soph, plus top DE Z. Mathis and CB Naim Dantzler. 9 other juniors started or co-started last year.
Also, I just edited/added their classes to show age to original post.

** That, plus the big question Pine has at Qb verses ICS's returning backfield and deep team. Losing Palmieri was losing 3 players, QB/RB/ DB per yardage and tackles.

** For Prep, Suhtaun Lewis who had 718 yards pre inj is also back. I didn't mention (that) everything in this abbreviated Top 15 as some was previously covered in the district writeups recently completed.

Woody! Saw vs York ly in Chambersburg. Not overwhelmed, with York never having a defense and Woody was young. But was first game. A lot of speed-athletes with those two on the field!!

There are so many good teams in D7 that could impact their survivability....and psyche once through the emotion of the Wpial race. Many across the state don't know how draining that is on some teams and the meaning of a Wpial title.
 
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PS Stalk - You mentioned Andy Marino of Neshaminy taking over at Whitehall. He was a senior on the 2004 team that made it to the state finals against PCC (no need to mention the final -- again). He went on to play at Lycoming (line) and has been coaching since (college and high school). He's very well thought of in many circles and it seems that more than a few "people" have mentioned him as a replacement for the 'Skins head man, Steve Wilmot. Coach Wilmot is much loved in Langhorne and came in with Schmidt in 1995; however, coming up on 30 years next season as an assistant or the head man it has been rumored that he may be stepping down at that point (with Marino mentioned as someone to be considered - if available).

Course, who knows what the situation will be at that time and how "things" will play out (rumors have also circulated about Coach Schmidt coming back).

And note too that however it rolls out Neshaminy's gone to turf for 2023 (I loved the grass but - oh well). Plus the old concrete stadium has been torn down (it was christened in 1963 when Central Dauphin came to town) while very cool new digs are coming in as to the stadium and a field house complex at the East end of the field (it will be very nice and very up-to-date).
 
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Looks like it will be a very interesting year in 5A. Very much looking forward to an Imhotep vs Roman D12 championship game. Roman has been the up-and-coming program for a few years now. This may be their best chance to make some noise.
HSFB99. Roman's spectacular wide out Tyseer Denmark didn't play vs Imhotep in a 14-6 loss. Few stretch a D or command as much attention as he does as a legit game changer. Going to Oregon last I read.
 
Looks like it will be a very interesting year in 5A. Very much looking forward to an Imhotep vs Roman D12 championship game. Roman has been the up-and-coming program for a few years now. This may be their best chance to make some noise.
From speaking to coaches inside Roman’s program they expect to be young this year and probably inconsistent. Still good enough to potentially beat Imhotep but maybe not what they were last year. They are really excited about the next years team and think they are built to be consistent going forward after this year, and QB Semaj Beals will still only be a junior. They only have two seniors on offense, Denmark and Woodley at WR with a plethora of young receivers coming up. Entire offensive line are underclassmen. I think they have a total of 6 contributing seniors.
 
From speaking to coaches inside Roman’s program they expect to be young this year and probably inconsistent. Still good enough to potentially beat Imhotep but maybe not what they were last year. They are really excited about the next years team and think they are built to be consistent going forward after this year, and QB Semaj Beals will still only be a junior. They only have two seniors on offense, Denmark and Woodley at WR with a plethora of young receivers coming up. Entire offensive line are underclassmen. I think they have a total of 6 contributing seniors.
Probably so Concretechuck. Thanks. Although I'm a D guy, I appreciate a vet Qb-receiver corps, especially of Denmark's incomparable stature knowing no one can cover him and Beals can move.
 
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In regards to Gateway QB, there may be some questions if he will be back. he has not been on the gateway campus for months. Not sure what the status is , heard possible transfer to Ohio school. Also WH will be tough, on paper new coaching staff seems legit . However rumors of a couple transfers are confirmed. One of the DB already left for Gateway and another Freshman star is rumored to be transferring. Also another Future start that will be a freshman has moved out of the district, although his impact this year will be limited...but the following 3 years PT will have a very nice RB
 
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In regards to Gateway QB, there may be some questions if he will be back. he has not been on the gateway campus for months. Not sure what the status is , heard possible transfer to Ohio school. Also WH will be tough, on paper new coaching staff seems legit . However rumors of a couple transfers are confirmed. One of the DB already left for Gateway and another Freshman star is rumored to be transferring. Also another Future start that will be a freshman has moved out of the district, although his impact this year will be limited...but the following 3 years PT will have a very nice RB
Thanks for the update. That guy gets around!
 
Nice job overall with the rankings, but (of course) I do have one quibble. I don't think Bethel Park is going to be top 5 in the WPIAL much less state. I think just making the playoffs is very iffy. They are losing 11 first and second team All-Conference players including pretty much the entire defense minus Petras. I don't see the defense being anywhere near the same level. Nice QB and the speedster Petras but it's going to be a very young and inexperienced team. Not to mention a new head coach. DeLallo did a major rebuild, I'm thinking he saw another one coming.
 
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Great write up as usual stalker and I may be biased but I'm putting my ecp ramblers #1. I think they will be even better then last year and their schedule will have them battle tested come playoff time. As you mentioned they open the season with national power archbishop hoben but ecp has the talent to compete with anyone this year. They have a lot of key starters returning. The skill guys coming back are Luke Casello QB, Shutaun Lewis at RB, and WR RJ Roberts. The O line will be their strong point with their two D1 tacles in Lamonte fuller 6'4 280 and Pitt commit Jiavani Cooley. On defense the linebacker corp is stacked with jyree Roberts in the middle and olb jr. Montay Hollingsworth returning as well. I expect to see a rematch of ecp and pr in the western finals and the winner knocking off imhotep once again. Both the wpial and ecp have imhotep number in Hershey going 6-1 in state title games.
 
Haus, I saw the PR-ECP game. Their QB play is what held them back. Multiple wide open guys that QB couldn’t hit. Isn’t he the baseball kid?
 
.Great write up as usual stalker and I may be biased but I'm putting my ecp ramblers #1. I think they will be even better then last year and their schedule will have them battle tested come playoff time. As you mentioned they open the season with national power archbishop hoben but ecp has the talent to compete with anyone this year. They have a lot of key starters returning. The skill guys coming back are Luke Casello QB, Shutaun Lewis at RB, and WR RJ Roberts. The O line will be their strong point with their two D1 tacles in Lamonte fuller 6'4 280 and Pitt commit Jiavani Cooley. On defense the linebacker corp is stacked with jyree Roberts in the middle and olb jr. Montay Hollingsworth returning as well. I expect to see a rematch of ecp and pr in the western finals and the winner knocking off imhotep once again. Both the wpial and ecp have imhotep number in Hershey going 6-1 in state title games.
If Tep ever does a major upgrade to their offensive coaching staff they will dominate. Until then they will beat most teams with ability, but when faced with great coaching plus a great team they will continue their losing ways in the big one. Brett Gordon was there as offensive coordinator for I believe one year and voila!!!!! state championship.
 
Casello is a pitcher on the baseball team and he is one of their better players returning as well. He must of had an off day in the western finals but I didn't watch that game. I think with a good O line this year and their starting running back returning that'll take a lot of pressure off him and open up the passing game. Like stalker said he was put in late in the season when cater Barnes was bench ( which I heard it was for not showing up to practices but can't verify that) and still threw for 1200+ yards. I know he light up rival McDowell beating them 43-0 and ending a two game losing streak to them. I think ecp will be even better this year and it's easy to pick pr and ecp. Theyve been two of the top programs in western Pennsylvania. I agree with lilroneo that tep lacks great coaching and discipline. Talent alone they are the top team every year but can never win it all come late December.
 
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If Tep ever does a major upgrade to their offensive coaching staff they will dominate. Until then they will beat most teams with ability, but when faced with great coaching plus a great team they will continue their losing ways in the big one. Brett Gordon was there as offensive coordinator for I believe one year and voila!!!!! state championship.
Hearing Schmidt is back at Imhotep. Have to expect them to be better with him back for another stint.
 
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Hearing Schmidt is back at Imhotep. Have to expect them to be better with him back for another stint.
He will definitely help,but I believe its the offensive play calling that requires a major upgrade. Their passing game is sub par year after year. I recall them attempting pass after pass in one of the state championship games while having a monsterous o line and very good RBs. In addition ,why they dont develop a kicking game is a head scratcher.
 
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Hearing Schmidt is back at Imhotep. Have to expect them to be better with him back for another stint.
Hey chuck ,have you heard anything about whats going on at Wood ? They are scheduled to finally scrimmage CB West this year ,and IMO will get crushed. The last I heard their program is still in disarray. Any updates would be appreciated.
 
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He will definitely help,but I believe its the offensive play calling that requires a major upgrade. Their passing game is sub par year after year. I recall them attempting pass after pass in one of the state championship games while having a monsterous o line and very good RBs. In addition ,why they dont develop a kicking game is a head scratcher.
How can a team with "quote" so much talent seem to loose in the big game even when they are overwhelming favorites ? When they lost to Penn Trafford, the whole coaching staff should have been let go. if you watch closely in that game, PT ran the same stunt time and time again. Where they not off sides like 8 times ? Any good coach could would have picked up on what they where doing. No one person in PA gave PT a chance in that game ...not one ...if if you say you did ...your lying....so much for all the D1 players they had...got beat by a " SLOW UNATHLETIC TEAM " :) ...LOL
 
I've said it for years - it's not play calling or scheme that hurts some of the Philly schools it's the OL play. St. Joes always plays good upfront. Wood was exceptional under Carey. District 1 with teams lke CB West, Neshaminy, N. Penn, etc all had really good line play prior the philly schools being introduced into the PIAA playoffs.

Many times these OL's are enormous but really out of shape, can't bend, and struggle to get off the ball.
 
I've said it for years - it's not play calling or scheme that hurts some of the Philly schools it's the OL play. St. Joes always plays good upfront. Wood was exceptional under Carey. District 1 with teams lke CB West, Neshaminy, N. Penn, etc all had really good line play prior the philly schools being introduced into the PIAA playoffs.

Many times these OL's are enormous but really out of shape, can't bend, and struggle to get off the ball.
Agree with line being out of shape ...once your over 300 you are to heavy ...at 17/18 that's to much weight for your body ...cant even run a lap let alone 1 mile.....
 
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Nice job overall with the rankings, but (of course) I do have one quibble. I don't think Bethel Park is going to be top 5 in the WPIAL much less state. I think just making the playoffs is very iffy. They are losing 11 first and second team All-Conference players including pretty much the entire defense minus Petras. I don't see the defense being anywhere near the same level. Nice QB and the speedster Petras but it's going to be a very young and inexperienced team. Not to mention a new head coach. DeLallo did a major rebuild, I'm thinking he saw another one coming.
May be right aerogenes. I put a lot of stock in a returning qb and duel threat like Petras. A question too is the broken collar bone late if not last g of yr. Nice core at OL in Prindle (6-4, 245), Brown (5-11, 265) and TE Orie (6-3, 225) will help. Liked what little I saw of soph Rb Bryce Green.

New coach was oc and will admit to being enamored with D7 this year with all the returning talent. Last year’s D was solid, ending at 16ppg, their best since 2008’s 15-1 team at15ppg.
 
Anybody going to be able to get to P-R's spring practices next week? I won't be able to. Jacky, 2020, etc.?
 
I have no horse in the race but Whoa Nelly on Imhotep!
You're completely discounting Imhotep's performance against other great teams, programs and coaches where they have a record of real success. You can't just list bad performances vs PT, PR and say....'that's Imhotep'. Well, you can, but only if you want a skewed view of the program. Check out the last two years.

2021 4-2 W/L
Pitt CC 12-6
DeMatha 14-10
LaSalle 8-13
Cathedral Prep 42-7
Strath Haven 36-0
Penn Trafford 14-17

2023 4-3 W/L
Harrisburg McDevitt 19-14
Malvern Prep 13-17
Archbishop Spalding 13-17
Roman Catholic 14-6
Whitehall 55-7
Upper Dublin 21-14
Pine Richland 14-28

If you're saying ICS sucks because of performances against PT and PR, what are saying about the coaching at Pitt CC, Cathedral, Spalding, DeMatha and the rest. Maybe you don't realize how good the Inter-Ac is with Malvern Prep, Haverford School, Episcopal etc, or Upper Dublin who has flown under the radar as one of the winningest teams in the district. These are very good teams.
 
Hey chuck ,have you heard anything about whats going on at Wood ? They are scheduled to finally scrimmage CB West this year ,and IMO will get crushed. The last I heard their program is still in disarray. Any updates would be appreciated.
From my understanding at Wood they are starting to get settled in. They have some kids coming in that are a little more organic to their area. Willow Grove, Warminster kids etc. as opposed to what they were trying to do the previous few years with kids from anywhere. Hearing they will be good at offensive line and young everywhere else. I do not believe Armstrong has any pressure so he can take his time.
 
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I've said it for years - it's not play calling or scheme that hurts some of the Philly schools it's the OL play. St. Joes always plays good upfront. Wood was exceptional under Carey. District 1 with teams lke CB West, Neshaminy, N. Penn, etc all had really good line play prior the philly schools being introduced into the PIAA playoffs.

Many times these OL's are enormous but really out of shape, can't bend, and struggle to get off the ball.
It all comes down to offensive line play. The skill players at Prep are good, but they win because of their offensive line. They are just bigger and stronger than everyone else. They are also coached up but the schools that are real state contenders have outstanding offensive lines. Imhotep has a very good offensive line. They were young last year so should only get better.
 
He will definitely help,but I believe its the offensive play calling that requires a major upgrade. Their passing game is sub par year after year. I recall them attempting pass after pass in one of the state championship games while having a monsterous o line and very good RBs. In addition ,why they dont develop a kicking game is a head scratcher.
Lil- Mark Schmidt is good with line play and will help for sure. Maybe his 3rd time beck there I think. The passing game is throw it up, jump ball or slant and yac, quick screen and yac run, maybe if they throw in more play action off the run game with some intermediate routes that would benefit them. I am not sure what sets they run out of though
 
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nice... good chatter folks!!! Is it August yet!?!

Stalk- agree on Imotep- not perfect but still an impressive program

New- I should get to a few PR spring practices- they started this week, will get a little more real next week, when they have baseball kids and track kids mostly back at practices
 
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Stalk- A sleeper team you did not mention in in your top 20 is Penn Trafford. They have 9-10 returning starters and another 9-10 that lettered. JV team only lost 1 close game. Offensive line will be solid, and running game will surprise many. But once again they have one of the hardest schedules in the WPIAL , if not the state.
 
Stalk- A sleeper team you did not mention in in your top 20 is Penn Trafford. They have 9-10 returning starters and another 9-10 that lettered. JV team only lost 1 close game. Offensive line will be solid, and running game will surprise many. But once again they have one of the hardest schedules in the WPIAL , if not the state.
Thanks, and you're right, I didn't mention them in the Top 15. I researched them, mentioning in the earlier write up. Here it is if you didn't see it. Hey, who knows but they sure lost a lot. I highlighted some key losses below in that write up of a number of multi-talented players.

Penn Trafford 6-5
PT almost suffered the same fate as Mt. Lebanon, going from a state championship to a losing season, save for a 14-13 win at Belle Vernon (12-2), the 3A state champ last year, and the 28-21 overtime win against Franklin Regional. This was a decent team with Qb Conlan Green (50%-1478, 750ry #1), Tommy Kalkstein with 362 rush yards and 250 in receptions (#2 on team), Owen Demeri (77-444ry) and their #1 receiver Daniel Tarabrella with 40 receptions for 629 yards. Two-way (C-DT) lineman Joe Enick (6-3, 290) was voted the "top lineman in the WPIAL", receiving the Bill Fralic award. They all graduate making 2023 look even more difficult than last year.
 
I have no horse in the race but Whoa Nelly on Imhotep!
You're completely discounting Imhotep's performance against other great teams, programs and coaches where they have a record of real success. You can't just list bad performances vs PT, PR and say....'that's Imhotep'. Well, you can, but only if you want a skewed view of the program. Check out the last two years.

2021 4-2 W/L
Pitt CC 12-6
DeMatha 14-10
LaSalle 8-13
Cathedral Prep 42-7
Strath Haven 36-0
Penn Trafford 14-17

2023 4-3 W/L
Harrisburg McDevitt 19-14
Malvern Prep 13-17
Archbishop Spalding 13-17
Roman Catholic 14-6
Whitehall 55-7
Upper Dublin 21-14
Pine Richland 14-28

If you're saying ICS sucks because of performances against PT and PR, what are saying about the coaching at Pitt CC, Cathedral, Spalding, DeMatha and the rest. Maybe you don't realize how good the Inter-Ac is with Malvern Prep, Haverford School, Episcopal etc, or Upper Dublin who has flown under the radar as one of the winningest teams in the district. These are very good teams.
I don't disagree that imhotep runs an impressive program with some big wins. To make it to 7 state championship games in the last decade is impressive in itself but I think everyone's point is they also have been favored in almost everyone of those title game. They had way more talent then the teams they have faced and are 1-6 for state championships. With the talent imhotep gets every year they should be in the same boat as st joes prep or their basketball team. They should be expected to win a state title every year. I think it's the coaching and discipline that holds them back from that.
 
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I don't disagree that imhotep runs an impressive program with some big wins. To make it to 7 state championship games in the last decade is impressive in itself but I think everyone's point is they also have been favored in almost everyone of those title game. They had way more talent then the teams they have faced and are 1-6 for state championships. With the talent imhotep gets every year they should be in the same boat as st joes prep or their basketball team. They should be expected to win a state title every year. I think it's the coaching and discipline that holds them back from that.
With all that talent you have to blame the staff at least in part. Maybe these were simply the worst games they ever coached? I've seen SJP and can tell you Imhotep while talented is nothing like them. No one in this state comes close to the Hawks in any way.
My point was they very clearly didn't play (coach) like this in recent wins against DeMatha, Cathedral, Roman and McDevitt. You don't get lucky against those teams, or in tight losses to Malvern Prep and Archbishop Spalding. Maybe they just choke. Who knows?
 
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With all that talent you have to blame the staff at least in part. Maybe these were simply the worst games they ever coached? I've seen SJP and can tell you Imhotep while talented is nothing like them. No one in this state comes close to the Hawks in any way.
My point was they very clearly didn't play (coach) like this in recent wins against DeMatha, Cathedral, Roman and McDevitt. You don't get lucky against those teams, or in tight losses to Malvern Prep and Archbishop Spalding. Maybe they just choke. Who knows?
True, I think what hurts imhotep too in the close games is the lack of a kicking game. It cost them the W against Penn Trafford.
 
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