Six Classes - Super 700 Plan

[RoverNation05]

Since its coming up in discussion, and there seems to be consensus that people want to go to six classes, what would it actually look like? This is the breakdown of what the twelve districts would look like under the Super 700 proposal, where all schools with more than 700 boys would be in the 6A classification, then the remaining five classes would be evenly split (102 or 103 schools). This is what the breakdown would look like based, on straight enrollment. That means I’m not assuming anybody is playing up, like Bethlehem Catholic, Imhotep Charter, Aliquippa, Jeannette, and a host of District 12 schools do currently as compared to their enrollment. I’d imagine schools still would have the option to go up.

District 1: Super 700
6A: North Penn, Pennsbury, Upper Darby, Neshaminy, CB South, Coatesville, Spring-Ford, Abington, Bensalem, Boyertown, Pennridge, Souderton, Harry S. Truman, CB East, Downingtown East, Norristown, William Tennet, Council Rock South, Avon Grove, Conestoga, Ridley, Downingtown West, Perkiomen Valley, CB West, Haverford, Quakertown

5A: Council Rock North, Owen J. Roberts, Methacton, Cheltenham, Penn Wood, Hatboro Horsham, Plymouth Whitemarsh, Chester, Upper Dublin, West Chester East, Garnet Valley, West Chester Rustin, Wissahickon, Kennett, Lower Merion, West Chester Henderson, Unionville, Oxford, Penncrest, Upper Merion, Academy Park, Interboro, Great Valley, Marple Newtown, Springfield (Delco), Strath Haven, Harriton, Phoenixville

4A: Radnor, Chichester, Upper Moreland, Sun Valley, Pottsgrove, Glen Mills, Bishop Shanahan, Upper Perkiomen, Pottstown, Octorara, Pope John Paul II

3A: Lower Moreland, Springfield Township

2A: New Hope-Solebury, Valley Forge Military Academy, Bristol

A: Morrisville, Calvary Christian, Delaware County Christian School, Jenkintown

District 2: Super 700
6A: Hazleton

5A: Scranton, Delaware Valley, Wyoming Valley West, Wallenpaupack

4A: Abington Heights, Pittston, West Scranton, North Pocono, Coughlin, Crestwood, Dallas, Honesdale, Tunkhannock, Berwick, Wyoming Area

3A: Valley View, Scranton Prep, Western Wayne, Lake Lehman, GAR, Greater Nanticoke, Hanover, Strawberry Mansion

2A: Lakeland, Montrose, Holy Redeemer, Mid Valley, Wilkes Barre Meyers, Riverside, Carbondale, Dunmore, Holy Cross, Northwest

A: Lackawanna Trail, Old Forge, Susquehanna Community

District 3: Super 700
6A: Reading, JP McCaskey, Chambersburg, Cumberland Valley, Hempfield, Harrisburg, Central Dauphin, Red Lion, Wilson West Lawn, William Penn, Manheim township, Penn Manor

5A: Dallastown Area, Central York, CD East, Cedar Crest, Warwick, Carlisle, Conestoga Valley, York County School of Technology, Exeter, Cedar Cliff, Governor Mifflin, Lebanon, Ephrata, Waynesboro, Lower Dauphin, South Western, New Oxford, Elizabethtown, Mechanicsburg, Muhlenburg, Hershey, Solanco, Garden Spot, Red Land, Daniel Boone

4A: Northern York, Spring Grove, Northeastern, Shippensburg, Greencastle Antrim, Twin Valley, Dover, Cocalico, Manheim Central, Lampeter Strasburg, Palmyra, West York, James Buchanan, Big Spring, Gettysburg, Conrad Weiser, West Perry, Fleetwood, York Suburban, Donegal, East Pennsboro, Susquehannock, Suquehanna Township, Eastern Lebanon, Milton Hershey, Kennard Dale, Northern Lebanon

3A: Eastern York, Bishop McDevitt, Middletown, Hamburg, Bermudian Springs, Littelstown, Wyomissing, Boiling Springs, Berks Catholic, Pequea Valley, Schuylkill Valley, Lancaster Catholic, Susquenita, Annville Cleona, Biglersville

2A: Trinity, Hanover, Kutztown, Upper dauphin, Delone Catholic, Colubmia, Fairfield, Camp Hill, York Catholic

A: Steelton-Highspire, Newport, Halifax, Millersburg, Carson Long Military Academy

District 4: Super 700
6A: None

5A: Williamsport

4A: Shikellamy, Jersey Shore, Selinsgrove, Shamokin

3A: Athens, Mifflinburg, Colubmia Montour Vo Tech, Milton, Lewisburg, Montoursville

2A: Danville, Central Colubmia, Mount Carmel, warrior Run, Troy, Towanda, Loyalsock, Hughesville, Southern Columbia, Wellsboro, Bloomsburg, Wyalusing, South Williamsport, East Juniata, Line Mountain

A: Muncy, Sayre, North Penn-Mansfield, Conwanesque Valley, Canton, Montgomery, Bucktail

District 5: Super 700
6A: None

5A: None

4A: Somerset

3A: Bedford, Chestnut Ridge

2A: Everett

A: Northern Bedford, Tussey Mountain, North Star, Berlin Brothersvalley, Meyersdale, Conemaugh Township, Windber, Rockwood, Shade

District 6: Super 700
6A: Altoona, State College

5A: Mifflin County, Central Mountain

4A: Holidaysburg, Bellefonte, Greater Johnstown

3A: Huntingdon, Forest Hills, Central, Juniata, Phillipsburg-Osceola, Tyrone, Central Cambria, Ligonier Valley
2A: Penns Valley, Bald Eagle Area, Penn Cambria, Richland, Mount Union, Westmont Hilltop, Marion Center, Cambria Heights, Southern Huntingdon, West Branch, Bellwood Antis, Bishop McCort

A: Northern Cambria, United, Blairsville, Purchase Line, Bishop Guilfoyle, Penns Manor, Homer Center, Claysburg Kimmel, Moshannon Valley, Conemaugh Valley, Glendale, Saltsburg, Juniata Valley, Portage, Bishop Carroll, Blacklick Valey, Ferndale, Williamsburg, St. Joseph Academy

District 7: Super 700
6A: Seneca Valley, North Allegheny, Butler

5A: Hempfield, Norwin, Pittsburgh Central Catholic, Penn Hills, Connellsville, Mount Lebanon, Canon McMillan, Shaler, Bethel Park, Pine Richland, Woodland Hills, Peters Township, Upper St. Clair, Fox Chapel, Penn-Trafford, Baldwin, Greater Latrobe, Kiski, Plum, McKeesport, Moon, Albert Gallatin, Gateway, Franklin Regional

4A: Chartiers Valley, Hampton, Knoch, Mars, Trinity, West Allegheny, Laurel Highlands, Montour, New Castle, Ringgold, Belle Vernon, Thomas Jefferson, West Mifflin, Uniontown, Ambridge, Greensburg Salem, Indiana, Hopwell, Central Valley, Elizabeth Forward

3A: Blackhawk, Yough, Deerk Lakes, South Fayette, Highlands, Derry Area, Mount Pleasant, Freeport, McGuffey, Ellwood City, Kittanning, Valley, South Park, Beaver Area, Southmoreland, Keystone Oaks, West Shamokin, Burrell, Steel Valley, Brownsville, Waynesburg Central, Mohawk, Ford City, Quaker valley, East Allegheny

2A: Shady Side Academy, Charleroi, South Allegheny, Summit Academy, Washington, Apollo Ridge, New Brighton, Beaver Falls, Laurel, Burgettstown, Sto-Rox, Freedom Area, Seton-LaSalle, Carlynton, Avonworth, Riverside, Northgate, Bethlehem Center, South Side, Neshannock, Fort Cherry, Wilkinsburg, Frazier, Shenango, Chartiers-Houston

A: Bentworth, Our Lady of the Sacred Heart, Aliquippa, Brentwood, Bishop Canevin, Carmichaels, Jeannette, Riverview, Serra Catholic, California, leechburg, Springdale, Jefferson Morgan, West Greene, Greensburg Central Catholic, Rochester, Clairton, Western Beaver, Vincentian, Monessan, Union Area, North Catholic, Mapletown, Avella

District 8: Super 700
6A: Brashear

5A: Taylor Allderdice, Perry Traditional Academy, Carrick

4A: None

3A: University Prep

2A: Westinghouse

A: None

District 9: Super 700
6A: None

5A: DuBois

4A: Punxsutawney, Clearfield

3A: Bradford, Saint Mary’s

2A: Brookville, Karns City, Moniteau, Kane Area

A: Curwensville, Brockway, Port Alleghany, Keystone, Clarion Limestone, Redbank Valley, Ridgway, Smethport, Coudersport, Clarion, Ott-Eldred, Allegheny Clarion Valley, Elks County Catholic, Union, Cameron County, Sheffield

District 10: Super 700
6A: Erie McDowell

5A: none

4A: Central Tech, Erie Cathedral Prep, General McLane, East, Meadville, Strong Vincent
3A: Oil City, Conneaut, Grove City, Warren, Slippery Rock, Corry, Harbor Creek, Fort LeBoeuf, Hickory, Girard, Sharon, Franklin, Titusville

2A: Seneca, Northwestern, North East, Fairview, Mercyhurst Prep, Saegertown, Shaprsville, Wilmington, Greenville, Lakeview, Reynolds, Maplewood, Cambridge Springs

A: Iroquois, West Middlesex, Mercer Area, Eisenhower, Union City, Youngsville, Chchranton, Farrell

District 11: Super 700
6A: Parkland, Liberty, William Allen, Easton, Emmaus, Dieruff, Pocono Mountain West, Freedom, Stroudsburg, Pleasant Valley, Pocono Mountain East, Northampton

5A: Nazareth, East Stroudsburg South, Whitehall, East Stroudsburg North

4A: Bangor, Southern Lehigh, Pottsville, Blue Mountain, Jim thorpe, Saucon Valley, Lehighton, Allentown Central Catholic

3A: Northwestern Lehigh, Wilson, Bethlehem Catholic, Tamaqua, Palisades, Palmerton, North Schuylkill, Salisburg, Notre Dame, Pen Argyl, Northern Lehigh
2A: Pine Grove, Catasaqua, Panther Valley, Minersville, Schuylkill Haven, Mahanoy Area

A: Marian Catholic, Williams Valley, Shenandoah Valley, Tri-Valley, Nativity BVM

District 12: Super 700
6A: Northeast, Central, LaSalle, Olney Charter, Abraham Lincoln, Roman Catholic, George Washington, St. Joseph’s Prep, Father Judge

5A: Kensington Multiplex, Thomas A. Edison, Fels, Martin Luther King, Frankford, Bartram, Archbishop Ryan, Overbrook, Archbishop Wood

4A: Simon Gratz, Boy’s Latin, Cardinal O’Hara, Benjamin Franklin, Monsignor Bonner, Furness, Archbishop Carroll, Mastbaum Vo Tech
3A: West Philadelphia, Delaware Valley Charter, Imhotep Charter, Lansdale Catholic, School of the Future, Prep Charter, Dobbins Tech, Conwell-Egan, Roxborough
2A: Neumann-Goretti, Shoemaker Charter, Bishop McDevitt

A: West Catholic, KIPP DuBois, First Philadelphia Prep Charter

 

[Relayer]

Nice work Rover. I can't see the WPIAL going in this direction. Even if everyone accepted the 700 enrollment class, how would the post-season be set up in 6A with only 1 team from D10, 3 from D7 and one from D8? Every other school that size is in central or eastern PA.

With 6 classes I would think this will force districts to form subregions. There won't be enough schools to go around in each district for all 6.

 

[lilromeo]

Nice work Rover. I can't see the WPIAL going in this direction. Even if everyone accepted the 700 enrollment class, how would the post-season be set up in 6A with only 1 team from D10, 3 from D7 and one from D8? Every other school that size is in central or eastern PA.

With 6 classes I would think this will force districts to form subregions. There won't be enough schools to go around in each district for all 6.

Nice breakdown rover, I am probably the only one that would only have 2 state champions. The AAAA and AAA winners would play for the big school championship and the AA would play the A for the small school championship.

 

[not_a_fan]

Nice work Rover. I can't see the WPIAL going in this direction. Even if everyone accepted the 700 enrollment class, how would the post-season be set up in 6A with only 1 team from D10, 3 from D7 and one from D8? Every other school that size is in central or eastern PA.

With 6 classes I would think this will force districts to form subregions. There won't be enough schools to go around in each district for all 6.

One solution could be creating 4 regions across the state to fill out the brackets-West, Central, Northeast, Southeast

West=D7, D10, D8, D9, D6, D5
Central=D3, D4
Northeast=D11, D2
Southeast=D1, D12

Each of the regions would responsible for choosing 16 teams for the sub regions. Top 2 teams in each region make it to "State Playoffs". At that point with only 8 teams left, you would be left with the same teams that usually make it to this point.

I know this wouldn't fly in the WPIAL but most other districts don't really lose much by going to this format. Just one suggestion

 

[RoverNation05]

With this solution, you 6A subregionals would be split up like this:

West - 7 teams
Central - 12 teams
Northeast - 13 teams
Southeast - 35 teams

Also, in the northeast, six of those 13 teams combined to go 11-51 last year, not exactly playoff material. I actually think in this format for 6A they'd have to go with a "Philadelphia vs the World" format where D1 and D12 is one half of the bracket and the rest of the state is the other half. That is a 35-32 split.

 

[not_a_fan]

That will work too-a true "East vs. West"

The remaining 5 classes wouldn't be a huge problem except that the smaller classes would be shifted the other way with it being the "WPIAL vs. the World" in 1A and 2A.

 

[Relayer]

In keeping with the current playoff system (6 playoff games to win the title), would the PIAA actually consider letting 64 of 67 teams in the playoffs. I presume the other 5 classes will have 64 to start?

If only 16 were invited on each side of the bracket, how would all those districts outside of D1/D12 determine who gets the 16 spots? If it's D1/D12, how would these two districts split the spots? If both use the same point system, bye bye to all those SJP killer non-league schedules.

Can you imagine a Parkland-Erie McDowell first round game?

 

[njfan47]

How about if they leave the four classes unchanged, except to pull out the private schools and put the privates into small and large divisions? It also might be realistic to consolidate the public schools into three divisions.